why's my dubbel suck?

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  1. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    1GAL batch

    2.5lbs belgian pale
    2.0oz caramunich
    1.0oz flaked wheat
    0.5oz special b
    0.3oz aromatic
    0.3oz chocolate

    0.2oz hallertauer - 60MIN
    0.2oz styrian - 30MIN
    1.0oz dark candi sugar - 15MIN

    wyeast 3787

    OG: 1.060
    FG: 1.010

    Mashed at 150°F, sparged with 165°F. Boil was a little weak, I admit, had a boil over in a previous batch. Final result's carbonated water with a real mild tea flavor. How did this go so, so wrong? Should I give up brewing and go back to vodka & purple kool-aid?
     
  2. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Not enough special B, aromatic or dark candi. Abv is on the low end for a dubbel. A little more boil off would have made it more robust, but I think your recipe is short on the ingredients that give it the flavor you are looking for. You have the right ingredients, but not the right amounts.
     
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  3. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    okey dokey, thanks!
     
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    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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  6. suavo

    suavo Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2014

    I think you should go back to the Purple Drank...
     
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  7. are_doubleyou

    are_doubleyou Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2014 Illinois

    Another trick that I've been told for dubbels is to wait to add the candi sugar until after the fermentation begins to slow. The yeast like the simple sugars and waiting to add them means the yeast will better utilize the complex sugars from the malts.

    I have a St. Bernardus clone that I brewed about a month ago like this and initial tastings were really positive. I'm letting it age a few more weeks in bottles before I really start drinking the batch.
     
  8. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I am sorry but I can not understand why a beer with an OG 1060 and FG 1010 has so little flavor, are you exaggerating cos you are angry ?. Did you check these OG 1060 and FG 1010 or is it just what was expected to get according calculations/beer software? . Also , how much carbonation vols did you tried to get?. A weak boil doesn´t help coagultion but it doesn´t mean your beer should taste like you have described it.
     
  9. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    I have not read anything but the title and 1 gal batch and I can tell you your pitching rate was too high.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    IMO, @NiceFly nailed it with his post. A smackpack for a 1 gallon batch is a HUGE overpitch. The fermentation products of esters (fruity flavors) and phenols (spicy type flavors) will not be proper here. Net result is lack of yeast produced flavors.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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    @NiceFly & @JackHorzempa Didn't pitch the entire smackpack, promise. You get like a half cup in the wyeast and I put in less than half. I eyed it, though. I know, I should be more exact about that.

    @Tebuken I did measure those gravities. Though I only took one reading after OG, that was at bottling. It's tough with only one gallon! You lose a fair amount with a single reading!
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I was totally confident in your ability to pitch the right amount of yeast @pants678

    :wink:
     
  13. pants678

    pants678 Maven (1,374) Jan 26, 2009 California
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