Will craft beer ever get back to it's roots?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by keithmurray, Jun 19, 2015.

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I guess one man's gimmick is another man's innovation...
     
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  2. AntG21

    AntG21 Initiate (0) Aug 4, 2014 Syria

    28 years, and I can't recall a "gimmick" beer: http://stoudts.com/brewery/
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I appreciate that Sierra Nevada is also now producing beer styles of a more traditional nature: Nooner Pilsner year round, Kolsch (summer variety pack), Vienna Lager (fall variety pack), etc.

    Breweries can do both: traditional styles of beer plus new 'thinking outside the box' beers.

    Cheers!
     
  4. WillemHC

    WillemHC Zealot (604) Jun 21, 2013 Utah

    I would argue that most breweries aren't trying to out-gimmick each other. Its likely you just perceive things to be that way because the gimmicky beers are the ones that are announced and discussed on this website. There isn't a thread every time a new porter is released..
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I personally would not specifically use the word “gimmick’ but Stoudt’s has indeed brewed some ‘different’ beers:

    · Smooth Hoperator – hoppy Doppelbock

    · Stoudts Fat Dog Red Wine Barrel Aged (Winey Dog)

    · Stoudt's Barrel Aged Old Abominable

    · 1860 IPA

    · Black Eye PA – Black IPA

    Cheers!
     
  6. charlzm

    charlzm Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2007 California

    Yes, I wish Sierra Nevada, Ballast Point, Green Flash, Alpine, Alesmith, Anchor and North Coast would stop making all those crazy beers and go back to making pale ales, IPAs, stouts... oh, wait.
     
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  7. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    You sound like my dad when he'd reminisce about the 1950's and them simpler times back then
     
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  8. cherche

    cherche Pooh-Bah (2,476) Mar 27, 2013 Washington
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    wasnt craft beer in itself a gimmick when it began?
     
  9. jmw

    jmw Initiate (0) Feb 4, 2009 North Carolina

    I am so tired of the word 'innovation' in American beer circles. Let's all pat each other on the back and go show everybody this new wheel we invented.
     
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  10. captaincoffee

    captaincoffee Pooh-Bah (2,218) Jul 10, 2011 Virginia
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    Seriously. I haven't seen any solid brewery stop producing their main lines to focus on gimmicks. I don't understand the original post at all. Are we really at the point where we need to complain about having too many good beers and options? I remember the "roots" of craft beer back in the early '90s...it meant Sam Adams was your only choice in 95% of the country. No thanks. I can tolerate 2% of beers having some weird gimmick if it means shelf after shelf of great beer at every bottle shop.
     
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  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    At the time, many beer drinkers saw it as a return to traditional brewing and beer styles in the US - the gimmick beers of the era were the "no carbohydrates" low calorie "Light" beers, high abv malt liquors and the non-traditional "flavored" beers (Pittsburgh's HopnGator, Lone Star's Lime Lager, National's Malt Duck, Hamm's Right Time, etc.)
     
  12. keithmurray

    keithmurray Pooh-Bah (2,967) Oct 7, 2009 Connecticut
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    Most of what folks are calling 'innovation' is really just trying to be extreme. I'm not seeing much innovation from breweries, just my opinion.
     
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  13. chrisjws

    chrisjws Grand Pooh-Bah (3,302) Dec 3, 2014 California
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    We all define innovative in different ways.

    However if we look in the dictionary:

    1: the introduction of something new
    2: a new idea, method, or device : novelty

    Just off the top of my head in California:
    Stone has innovated new hopping techniques
    Sierra Nevada has innovated new hopping techniques
    White labs is as cutting edge when it comes to yeast as it gets
    Many great breweries making some of the best sour beer produced in the US (Russian River, The Bruery, SARA)

    So yes, innovation is happening and your idea of what innovation is doesn't comport with reality.
     
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  14. Caveworm

    Caveworm Maven (1,275) Feb 26, 2014 Ohio

    I'll admit that I've been drawn in by my own curiosity at gimmicky brews before to change things up from more conventional styles. Now, am I always on the hunt for the "next big thing" in this realm of strangeness? Absolutely not. Its honestly been a while since my last one (Red Hot Rooster Stout).
     
  15. cherche

    cherche Pooh-Bah (2,476) Mar 27, 2013 Washington
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    Fair enough...i would imagine many of the early brewers were just doing it because it seemed fun, new and different and not because they grew up admiring trappist monks though...but you are right, gimmick is probably not the best word for it.
     
  16. Jeffreysan

    Jeffreysan Initiate (0) Apr 12, 2013 Virginia

    I think that the OP has to keep in mind that one person's gimmick is another person's innovation and advancement in style. There was a time when adding a ton of hops to a beer was onetime considered as a gimmick and innovators like Fritz Matag, Ken Grossman, Sam Calagione, and Greg Koch, et al., were considered crazy for hopping up their beers and making "bitter beers," yet now they're rightfully celebrated as innovators and hopping up beers is an accepted and celebrated practice. Hell, it seems to me most beers are decried when they don't have "enough" hops in them.

    Another "gimmick/innovation" that is now celebrated is barrel-aging in used whiskey, bourbon, wine, sherry, port, etc. casks. I'm sure that when the first brewer decided to age a beer in one, others thought, wtf? Lout look at what that has done to the industry.

    Personally, I love the fact that brewers and breweries take risks and try new things, as without it the craft beer scene would remain stagnant. The best advice to all is this: if you think a beer or what a brewery is doing is gimmicky, then just ignore it and move on to a beer and brewery that you like and don't think is gimmicky. There are people who like those "gimmicky" beers, and if not, then those beers will go away. Remember, to the majority of the world who drinks AB-InBev, Sab-Miller, Heineken, and similar beers, we're the ones drinking "gimmicky" beers.
     
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  17. BeerStyx

    BeerStyx Initiate (0) Nov 11, 2014 Canada (ON)

    ???

    Bottle-conditioning?
     
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  18. JaefromLA

    JaefromLA Initiate (0) May 19, 2015 California

    I don't get the question. You got to drink out of the box, son!
     
  19. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    Experimental new beer flavors and brewing methods should be embraced and the really tasty ones will fall out as new hybrid styles and such. And the gimmicky marketed ones that aren't of good quality will only sell well for 1 or 2 seasons then fade away.
     
  20. lionelhutz23

    lionelhutz23 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Florida

    Gimmicky beers are fine. It's just annoying when they taste like shit and are yet still bottled/canned and put on shelves.
     
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