I need some pep talk. I'm wanting to take a crack at the Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA-AG. My homebrew store didn't have London III. We decided to go with WLP 008. I haven't used White Lab yeast in 3 or 4 years. I made a starter and it's ready to start chugging. I want to brew on my day off, but I'm reading that everyone hates this strain. Everybody. I'd like to hear if anyone has a positive experience with this strain. Should I proceed?
I have not used it and don't know anyone who has used it. But after reading White Lab's description I would be inclined to use US-05/1056/001 over 008, especially with 13+ ounces of expensive hops involved. Better yet, shop around for Vermont Ale yeast. I found it online and this is the yeast-shipping season. What's a week delay in the grand scheme of brewing?
I'll throw SO4 or Nottingham into the ring too. Just did one with SO4 fermented at 64 and liked it a lot. Cloudy and juicy.
I have homebrewed one batch of a hazy IPA and I used S-04. I can report that this yeast produced a hazy IPA and just as importantly the resulting beer had a pleasant soft mouthfeel and the quality that folks describe with the word "juicy". Cheers!
I have a NEIPA that is almost finished fermenting with wlp008. It is my first time using this yeast. The beer is very hazy and juicy when I checked for final gravity. I did not notice anything off about this yeast for this style of beer compared to other yeasts. I will say that fermentation was a little slower than other yeasts I have used in this style. So IMHO I like it and will use it again.
Awesome to hear back on this. I'll probably go out on a limb here and try it too. So you're not getting any lemon tartness or lemon Pine-sol flavors? Glad to hear that.
S-04? Cloudy? Not because of the yeast! It's possible I've used this strain in more batches than any other, and it never fails to flocculate and drop out into something resembling a layer of pea gravel as soon as primary fermentation is complete.
Yup, if you use S-04 to brew a so called 'NE' style IPA the resulting beer is turbid/murky/opaque. I used S-04 to brew my version of a Trillium Galaxy Fort Point Pale Ale and that beer was opaque. FWIW my theory is that the opaqueness of this beer is due to a combination of protein and hop polyphenols of the ingredients used to brew a so called 'NE' IPA. I just recently used S-04 to brew a 'regular' IPA (a Galaxy/Citra IPA) and that beer has a bit of haze but it is not murky/turbid. opaque. I recently posted in another thread what I think are the necessary conditions to brew a so called 'NE' style IPA: "OK, now is time for me the 'theorize' about what it takes to create a beer of the so called 'NE' IPA style. My theory is that three things are needed: A protein rich wort. I used 1.5 lbs. of wheat malt in my beer to 'enrich' the protein content but there are other sources of grains to achieve a protein rich wort. Lots (and I do mean lots) of hops for late hopping and dry hopping. I solely have experience with Galaxy hops but I have read where Citra and Mosaic 'work' here as well. Maybe Centennial would 'work' too? Specific English yeast strains. The two strains that I would suggest are Boddingtons (e.g., WY1318) and Whitbread (WY1098, WLP007, S-04). I have seen the Conan yeast strain mentioned but every can of Heady Topper that I have had was a bit hazy (i.e., not murky/turbid/opaque) so I personally would not suggest the Conan strain for a so called 'NE'IPA Take my three bullets above with a grain of salt since I have no 'science' to corroborate it." Cheers!
Never used it. I'm not familiar with the hate. What's the rap? Regardless, I'd probably try it so I could be the first person to recognize that all the haters were wrong and give birth to the latest trendy IPA. Or I'd dump it.
I've read numerous people don't like something sour/tart/lemmony that it gives off. Some haters who need shown the way: http://www.homebrewtalk.com/showthread.php?t=166270 The beer is in the fermenter and I'll post back on the Averagely Perfect NEIPA thread on how it comes out with pics.
I also read somewhere that it was slow to clear, so if you are going for the orange juice look, maybe this will contribute. But I know you are too respectable a homebrewer to aim for cloudy beer. With three beers in the queue, I probably won't be trying this strain anytime soon, but I've always wondered about it.