WLP002 for Double/Imperial IPA?

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  1. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    I am in the process of putting a recipe together for a double/imperial IPA that I will be brewing for a competition, and I was considering using WLP002. Have any of you used WLP002 for a DIPA/IIPA before? If so, were you pleased with the results? In the past, I've always used WLP001 (or US-05) for any DIPA/IIPA's that I've brewed, but for this beer, I was thinking about using WLP002, mashing at about 148, and adding about 2 pounds of Honey to help with attenuation. Thoughts on whether this will produce a good DIPA/IIPA? I've heard that WLP002/WY1968 is Three Floyd's house strain, so I would imagine it is what they use for their DIPA/IIPA's.

    The winner of this competition gets to brew their recipe on a local brewpub's 7-barrel system to be served at each of their brewpub locations. In the past few years, the beers that have won this contest are usually DIPA's, and I would imagine most people will be using WLP001, so I thought that using 002 might give me an edge by making it stand out against the 001 DIPAs.
     
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    2 things.

    1) I have made great DIPAs with 1968. Sugar helps

    2) What house strain is the local brewpub using? If they use 002/1968 then using it might get you a little further. If they use 001/1056 they probably won't switch to brew your recipe if you win.
     
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  3. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    That is great to hear! For the contest, they have pretty strict rules about what ingredients can be used. The only sugars allowed are Lactose, Maltodextrine, and Honey. That is why I plan to use honey to help dry it out and boost attenuation.

    Regarding the local brew-pub's house strain, I'm really not sure what strain they normally use. They brew a pretty wide variety of beer styles (pales, hefeweizen, sours, barley wines, lagers, wits, etc), so I think they switch it up. The contest rules state that all commercially sold yeasts are welcome, so I don't know that they would dock my score just because they don't want to use the yeast that I used.
     
  4. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Mashing low will definitely help. Limit or exclude crystal/cara malts. A little bit of honey malt will help make the honey pop, though. I would also make sure to start fermentation cool and slowly ramp up, and to add the honey at or slightly after high-krausen to make sure the yeast finishes up. wlp002/wy1968 floccs super hard, so make sure it keeps working until its done.
     
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  5. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I doubt they would dock you any points. Most likely they will use a yeast they already have on hand with your malt and hop bill. If they use 001, they would use your recipe with 001. If a Belgian won that used Abbey, they might just use the Trappist they have on hand, etc.
     
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  6. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    I used WLP002 on a Stone Ruination clone earlier this year - turned out great! @MrOH is right, that yeast floccs hard, and leaves your beer nice and clear. As for flavor, it left my DIPA pretty sweet and rich tasting. Like a malty, 'barleywine' sweet. It got the job done, and I was able to bottle the beer just 2 weeks after brewing.

    That's my only experience with using WLP002 on a DIPA. But, I'd have to say it's the best DIPA I've brewed, and I've used WLP001 on a few IPA/DIPAs before.
     
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  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    When I brewed one of my recipes at a commercial brewery, the brewmaster originally wanted to sub some ingredients to use house inventory. I convinced him to do otherwise. Hell, I even convinced him to let me do a batch sparge. The only things I really had to compromise on were water and pitch rate. No building from distilled for 15 barrel batches apparently. (Shocking, I know.)
     
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  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    If using a modest amount of honey/sugar, that should not be necessary, but rousing 002/1968 is a good idea...maybe do both
     
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  9. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    WLP 002 is an excellent yeast. For this style I would not worry about yeast character as much as attenuation because the hops will be the dominate flavor in your beer. My choice would be WLP007. Have fun!
     
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  10. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I'll throw a third option of WLP013 London Ale out there, my personal favorite in hoppy beers. It's a beast too and would have no issue with honey + malt.
     
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  11. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Are you trying to brew a beer YOU want to brew? Or are you trying to appeal to the brewery so your beer is made on their system?

    If you're shooting to simply get your beer made, I'd use the same yeast the brewery uses, as well as grains and hops they already use. Not having to special order a specific grain or hop might be something they consider. I was going to enter a similar contest at a local brewery, talked to the head brewer beforehand and he was adamant that this was one of the biggest criteria that he was personally thinking of.

    If you've never brewed a beer like this with 002, then making your first attempt a competition entry may not be the best idea since your experimenting and dont truly know how it'll turn out yet. I'd stick with a yeast you use regularly and know it's outcome...unless you are adventurous and don't mind the possibility of the beer turning out "bad".

    If you want to be unique, then give WLP 644 a try...it works ridiculously well in DIPAs, produces a drier beer (which I think most DIPAS need) with nice tropical fruit notes that blend very well with juicy hops.
     
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  12. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    I had the exact same thought but then I realized that Honey Malt is made by Gambrinus. I neglected to mention this earlier, but the contest limits the malts you can use to the following malting companies: Briess, Muntons, Weyerman, or Avangard.

    When you say "start fermentation cool", do you mean 65ish, or do you mean even cooler than that? I have heard and read that WLP002 floccs out and stops working if the temp drops below 65. If I recall, I've read that 3 Floyds conducts their primary fermentation at between 68 and 70 degrees. Regarding adding the honey after high krausen, is that necessary? I've only used honey one other time, but when I used it last time, I added 2 pounds at flameout. Will adding it after high krausen ensure that it fully attenuates and prevent higher (fusel) alcohols and esters from forming? Do I need to reduce the size of my yeast pitch if I'm adding after the majority of fermentation has occurred instead of adding to the kettle at flameout? How do you sanitize the honey prior to adding to the fermenter? Do you just boil a pint or quart of water, kill the heat, stir in the honey, cover, and allow to cool before adding?
     
  13. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    I also neglected to mention that for the contest, each brewer has to submit 3 12 oz bottles for the preliminary round of judging, which will be judged by local industry professionals and brewers. The top 10 beers will move on to the final round. If your beer makes it to the final round, you have to provide an additional case of 24 12 oz bottles of your beer to be served at a local beer-tasting/beer-festival. The final round is a "people's choice" round, and the winner will be decided by which beer receives the most votes from the people attending the festival. As a result, whether or not the brewery has to special-order ingredients for a given beer may play a small part in the voting (at least in the first round), but I don't think it will be nearly as big a factor as it would otherwise be.
     
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  14. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    While you are correct that I have never brewed a DIPA with this yeast, I have brewed a zombie dust clone with this yeast that turned out phenomenal (it was dead-on in a side-by-side with actual ZD), and although it was only 6.5% ABV, I think I got a good feel for the strain, how it behaves, and the characteristics and flavor it contributes. I suppose I am somewhat adventurous, but I don't think there is too much of a chance that the beer could turn out "bad" unless I really screw something up.
     
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  15. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    Regarding malt selection: that sucks. I'd use the most characterful pale ale malt that isn't too toasty that you can. I'm not too familiar with any of those maltsters ale base malts. Maybe just go for a small amount of Weyerman's Melanoidin. For fermentation, maybe pitch at 62 and let rise up and hold it at 70. My main concern with using wlp002 is that it has always pooped out on me the three times I used it, because I prefer to take a laissez-faire approach to fermentation, so I tend to like strains that aren't highly flocculating. YMMV
     
  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Here is my problem with your plan. 15lbs of pale malt + 2lbs of honey + 0.75lbs of C40 +wy1968 = FG of 1.024, aka DIABETUS DIPA. Some people like sweet DIPAs. I drain pour them.
     
  17. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I have had 1968 finish in the single digits with that kind of a malt bill and mash on numerous occasions, with more crystal than that. Pitch rate, yeast health, O2, and temp control is the key.
     
  18. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    A smidge of C20 might do in a pinch if gambrinus malts aren't acceptable for the comp.
     
  19. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Did you calculate the honey as being 100% fermentable instead of the usual attenuation rate for the grains? With the honey completely fermenting out, it will up the attenuation and drop the FG. I've noticed many brew calculators uses honey like normal grains and treats it as only being ~75% fermentable.
     
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  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I used a free web based calculator and don't know how it treats honey. My certified reliable calculator predicts 1.017 which is Borderline Diabeetus DIPA. Now, if only Vikeman could run it through the most accurate calculator on the planet, then we will have three predictions.
     
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