Working on my brewhouse efficiency

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  1. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    I got only 62% brewhouse efficiency on my last 2 batches. I want 70-75%. There is copious information on the internet and in my How to Brew book, but maybe someone will give some pointers.

    A few factors:

    1) I am a new all-grain BIAB brewer
    2) I use tap water, which tastes great and is commonly used for brewing, even by commercial brewers where I live. I have not begun to measure or alter my water profile yet. However, the pH, as stated in the water report, is an average of 9.3. Does this pH come down when you add the grains? CaCO3 is average of 45. Could I simply used acid malt?
    3) Sparge method. I realized that my 65F sparge water is costing my efficiency, and I was rushing the process. I did the old raise the grains trick, drain it, and sparge with the some light squeezing (tannins have not been any issue). I use limited supplies in a small brew room. After removing the grains from the mash, can I simply place the grains in 170F water for about 20 mins in a separate kettle, and do it twice? The I would add that back to the wort for the boil.
    4) Water to grist ratio. I was making a mistake and mashing with about 1.25 qts /pound. Will it really help if I raise the ratio to 2:1?

    I am making great beer recently. But I hope that if I make all these changes for my next brew, I can hit 70%. I want to give more effort and time to make better beer and, separately, achieve a higher brewhouse efficiency. It's a hobby and that's what it's about for me. I realize that I was using smaller volumes of liquid so it would heat and cool faster. Also, I lacked the knowledge.

    Please let me know if I'm on the right track.
    THANK YOU!
     
  2. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    Well, running the numbers through the brewer's friend calculator, the mash pH does appear to come down to 5.4-5.6 depending on the grist. That's pretty good. I could adjust (add) some of the ions.
     
  3. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Usually the biggest problem is the crush of the grains. Are you having your grains milled by the shop? If so, get your own mill. After adjusting tightly, your efficiency will often jump by about 10%.
     
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  4. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    Thank you. I was thinking that too. I would need a mill then. The supplier mills the grains for me, and for everyone, so I suppose they are tailoring to the 3-vessel AG brewers who don't need as fine of a crush.
    I might get scorned for this idea, but since I already have the crushed/milled grain on board, maybe I could throw my next grist (only about 3 lbs for a 4L fermenter volume) into a blender, just as a test.
     
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  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    For the Mash Efficiency piece of brewhouse efficiency, from a presentation I did a while back:

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  6. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    Thank you for taking that from your archives and posting it here, VikeMan. Those items that would apply to me are: the crush; sparge method; Mash pH. I gotta work on these.
    As it stands now, I have basically zero wort loss.
     
  7. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I used a blender for about 3 years. It works. It can help you.
     
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  8. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Another thing that helped my efficiency a lot is stirring the grains gently half way through the mash (unless, of couse you have a recirculating mash). Avoid stirring too strongly as it could introduce unnecesary oxygen.
     
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  9. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    Thank you, OldBrewer! I really appreciate all the help, guys! I do have to correct myself by saying that I DO have some wort loss through the wet grains... and by sipping throughout.

    I'm brewing an Irish Stout today and will be making the following improvements (optimistically):
    1) Further fine the milled grains to simulate a tighter crush. I have big hopes for this.

    2) Mash with more water (1.67 qts/lb vs 1.5.). This may be negligible.

    3) Use an estimated mash pH of 5.40 as according to Brewer's Friend. No real changes here, just added some gypsum based on my local water report.

    4) Gently and quietly stir the grains halfway through.

    5) Do a more thorough sparge at a more appropriate temperature (170F). Brulosophy did measure a higher OG after a 170F sparge vs "room" temp, which was uniquely an objective finding for them. I have great hopes for this, too.

    I'll mash at about 146F for 90 mins and will report back later.
     
  10. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    I'm in awe! The brewhouse efficiency is looking to be right about 82% on this recipe. The boil is not over yet, so it's an estimate, but it's been quite consistent as the volume decreases in the kettle. I've been using the Brewer's Friend OG calc, a trusty hydrometer, and a kettle with precise measurements. I'll keep going with what I learned. Thanks everybody!.
     
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  11. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    In addition to the other ideas ... allow me to suggest the sparge water is not hot enough and definitely 'double' sparge.

    If you put the bag into 170°F sparge water ... the resulting temperature will be well below that. If you're mashing at 148°F ... sparge into 195°F water. Stir ... then check the temperature. It should be where it should be - in the upper 160s. Everyone's set-up is slightly different so you may need to heat the sparge water a few degrees more or a few degrees less.

    Also ... the sparge rest does not need to be 20". I used to wait 10" but @dmtaylor et al. showed me the error of my ways. Now ... I give the grain bed no more than 3-5 minutes to settle then start the running or in your case ... remove the bag and move on to the 2nd sparge.

    HTH ...
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just FYI, Brewhouse Efficiency is a measure of the percentage of total potential sugars and dextrins from the grain bill that make it all the way to the fermenter. As such, it can't be measured until the wort is in the fermenter.

    What you can measure in the kettle is Mash Efficiency. It can be measured pre-boil or post boil. There's no reason to keeep measuring it during the boil, because it can't actually change during the boil (beyond measurement errors).
     
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  13. YourBeerRunner

    YourBeerRunner Aspirant (212) May 3, 2022

    VikeMan, you're right, I see what you're saying. It really is only a mash efficiency at this point but since I expect no other losses (I pour the wort directly from the kettle through a filter into the fermenter and hardly lose any), I called it brewhouse efficiency. With that said, the title of the thread and my term should concern mash efficiency only. And yes, I couldn't really believe it so a I took a second gravity reading later on.

    HerbMeowing, thanks. I ended up doing two 10-minute sparges in a separate kettle and I did treat the fresh water like a strike temp by aiming for the resulting 170F. I would have considered a third run but my pre-boil volume was too high. How did you realize that 3-5 mins was enough? Took some readings? Thanks for the guidance!
     
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  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Interesting! Can you elaborate on that? I always thought you had to wait 10 minutes, which I have been doing all along.
     
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  15. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    I thought so as well while under the mistaken impression for years ... based on conventional wisdom ... the grain bed needed that much time to settle when in fact it doesn't.

    Still need to vorlauf but typically for only a couple 'cycles.'
     
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  16. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    No readings required. I just tried a shorter interval and got clear runnings. Since conversion has already happened during the mash ... the whole point of the sparge is to rinse the sugars left behind from the initial runnings. Double sparge ensures you essentially get it all there is to get.

    You can tell if you're getting all the sugar by putting a small pinch of the mash on the tip of your tongue and sucking the juice. It should taste like bland. If it tastes sweet then you're leaving money on the table.

    Of course ... there's no need to draw clear runnings via vorlauf-ing in BIAB so you can just dunk the bag ... stir the grains well to ensure a thorough rinse .. and then go on to the second sparge.

    Some who BIAB don't sparge at all b/c they drain enough to satisfy their pre-boil volume from the mash. The water-to-grain ratio is higher then the standard 1.25 QT : #; however ... I don't recall what that ratio is.
     
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