Wort Chilling

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  1. jvillefan

    jvillefan Maven (1,473) Sep 3, 2011 Washington
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    This might be a stupid question but is there any reason why I can't use dry ice to chill my wort? Because it's pure carbon dioxide it should be sterile. If i do it very slowly it shouldn't bubble over the top. I figure this is much cheaper then a wort chiller.
     
  2. redmaw

    redmaw Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2013 Pennsylvania

    It's an interesting idea, I've never heard of I would have two concerns. First, I'm not convinced it is sterile (more of an I don't know than saying it isn't). Second you want oxygen in your wort when you pitch for healthy fermentation. I would assume if you dump dry ice in the wort you would end up with a lot of dissolved CO2, which may make it difficult to get oxygen to dissolve. I don't know if it would work well or not, but those are the issues I could see.
     
  3. Wanda

    Wanda Zealot (518) Nov 23, 2006 Tennessee

    How much does dry ice cost and how much would it take to cool your wort? My homemade chiller cost about 60 bucks in tubing and various connectors. How many batchs of wort would it take to break even? Interesting idea.
     
  4. jvillefan

    jvillefan Maven (1,473) Sep 3, 2011 Washington
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    It would take about 12 batches to equal the cost of a home made wort chiller. The O2/CO2 thing crossed my mind but I don't think it would be a problem. It might slow the fermentation by a couple of hours but I wouldn't care that much.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    It's definitely not pure CO2. Maybe there is a grade that is somewhere, but not the stuff you can buy easily. I wonder if the very cold temperature (something like -100F?) makes it "close enough" to sterile though.

    Have you computed the amount of dry ice you would need to cool one batch? I'd be interested to see that, from an academic standpoint anyway. (I like my chiller just fine.)
     
  6. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    If you decide to try this, have a video camera running. A chunk of dry ice dropped into boiling or near-boiling wort should be quite a show.
     
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  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I use dry ice to preserve soil samples for future microbial analyses. Although those analyses are DNA analyses, I am pretty sure unicellular microbes can recover from these temps. However, the presence of microbes during the dry ice creation probably is very low. Then on top of that, that percentage that recovers from the cold when the dry ice sublimates might be low too. If I could guarantee that the surface of the dry ice did not contact anything that would contaminate, I would think it would not be a big risk for contaminating beer.

    But for me, cold ground water is easier to get than dry ice, and I already have a chiller. Plus, the dry ice that I get at work does come in contact with a lot of dirt, so you won't catch me trying this.
     
  8. Vogt52

    Vogt52 Initiate (0) May 25, 2014 Maryland

    I would imagine if you thoroughly aerate the wort afterwards it might work
     
  9. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I think this should be the biggest concern. Good luck to anyone who tries this method. I'm not gonna' do it.
     
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  10. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    If you have not handled dry ice before, seriously, there is some risk to getting hurt.
     
  11. jvillefan

    jvillefan Maven (1,473) Sep 3, 2011 Washington
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    I've handled it before, I used to work in a biotech lab and we used it frequently. I recognize all the risks when using it, I'm trying currently to figure out how to add it without creating a geyser of CO2/wort.
     
  12. bgjohnston

    bgjohnston Initiate (0) Jan 14, 2009 Connecticut

    Yup. There's your problem.
     
  13. jvillefan

    jvillefan Maven (1,473) Sep 3, 2011 Washington
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    My "best" suggestion was to thrown in the ice and cover the fermenter with the lid to prevent the geyser. Clearly the person that suggested this has never made a dry ice bomb.
     
  14. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    What about a dry ice bath instead of the traditional kind? No actual wort contact. DISCLAIMER: I've never handled dry ice.
     
  15. jvillefan

    jvillefan Maven (1,473) Sep 3, 2011 Washington
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    The water in a dry ice bath and regular ice bath will be the same temperature (about 32). The dry ice bath won't get the water below freezing temp. And regular ice is cheaper and easier to use.
     
  16. BumpkinBrewer

    BumpkinBrewer Pundit (993) Jan 6, 2010 Massachusetts

    how bout a dry ice and cheapest grain alcohol you can find bath
     
  17. Wanda

    Wanda Zealot (518) Nov 23, 2006 Tennessee

    Crazy thought....how about a regular old fashioned wort chiller :slight_smile:
     
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