Yeast starter cold crash

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  1. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Is it important to cold crash a yeast starter to eliminate some beer, should I just pitch the starter? It's only a 1 liter starter for 5 gallon pale ale if that matters.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    IMO always decant, as the starter beer is not part of your recipe and was not fermented under the same conditions as your main beer will likely be.

    Others will say go ahead and pitch the whole thing and that it makes no difference. This defies logic IMO, unless they took great pains to make the starter exactly like they will make the beer... temperature control, O2 exclusion, etc. In reality, I doubt very many people are actually doing this, though some claim to.

    ETA: One liter added to 5 gallons of beer wort may not sound like much, but that's 5% of the total volume.
     
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  3. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I agree in that case is overnight enough time?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, if the yeast is very flocculent. More like 2-3 days if less flocculent.
     
  5. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Awesome. Thanks for the advice
     
  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin


    80% of my batches are made with a 1L starter pitched completely. I don't think anyone who does this will say "it makes no difference" compared to only pitching yeast in the same beer.

    Of course it makes a difference. A non-decanted starter makes mo' betta beer! It's an advanced brewing technique that requires strategic planning, thinking out of the box and mad brewing skillz. That said, beginners should chill and decant until they fully understand how to pitch the entire starter.

    If a completely pitched starter produced off flavors or anything undesirable, I wouldn't continue to do it.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I pitch my entire starter and produce tasty beer that way.

    Each homebrewer gets to decide what process/method is best for their individual homebreweries.

    Cheers!
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Some processes are better than others. When two home brewers disagree on a best process, one is usually wrong. The hard part is proving which, especially when everyone thinks their own beers are the tits.
     
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And every homebrewery is different. A given practice/method may work well for one homebrewer but produce less than stellar results for another homebrewer.

    The beauty of homebrewing: brew the beers you like and brew them the way you like.

    Cheers!
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Well, yeah, if we're talking about some sort of practice that complements/offsets some other characteristic. It's hard to imagine some circumstance where adding 5% or more of starter beer to a painstakingly developed wort recipe is a good thing for flavor. You could work around the negative affects by making the starter wort with the same grist, by limiting oxygen after the starter's fermentation takes off, by hopping it, by temperature controlling it, etc. Or you could change the way you make recipes to account for 5% extra pale/pils input, ferment the main recipe even lower to make up for the room temp starter esters, etc. Since most people wont do those things, I say pitching the whole starter is not a best practice. By best practice, I mean a practice that enables the best possible beer. Almost everyone makes "tasty" beers, or at least thinks they do.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Each homebrewer should select the practice/method that achieves their goals in brewing.

    Cheers!
     
  12. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Two different roads can lead to the same destination. Some prefer the scenic route. Others prefer the straightest line between two points.

    Both methods can produce tasty beer. Beginners should take the straight route just to be safe.
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I guess I assume that making the best possible beer is a fairly common goal. Maybe it's not.
     
  14. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    In the past ivedone it both ways but I've only done yeast starters about 6 times. Just got pure pitch strains that I'm going to wash this time so I wanted to keep the yeast as happy as possible. I can always buy more yeast. Also I got some fast pitch cans from northern Brewer with the flask I bought recently and that stuff is bs. For 1 you have to boil water and dilute it, but it was also super inconsistent. 2 cans poured clear wort and 1 can was sludgy and cloudy. Common northern Brewer what day do in to me. If I knew how to post pictures I'd show you. If my San Diego yeast comes out messed up its gonna be a bummer. Burlington ale on the other hand smelled super fruity
     
  15. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    How many times have you pitched a complete 1L starter and what made those beer(s) sub-optimal?

    I'm betting you have never pitched a full starter.
     
  16. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    Do you guys use foil foam or an airlock for your starters?
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Beer (and brewing) is by its nature a subjective thing. One person could say that beer A (whether it is a commercial beer or a homebrewed beer) is "best" while another person would say otherwise.

    Cheers!
     
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  18. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Most people use sanitized foil.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you are looking for 'optimum' oxygen being available for yeast growth then you want foil or foam.

    I personally use aluminum foil on top of my yeast starter vessel.

    Cheers!
     
  20. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    @chavinparty

    http://www.mrmalty.com/starter_faq.php

    The link above tells you pretty much everything you need to know about making a starter.

    Coincidentally, the author has won more homebrew awards than the sum of this forum and significant number of his ribbons were won by pitching a full starter. Hmmmm....
     
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