Yeast starter question: do I really need a stir plate?

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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Cool. I'd love to see the data from that.
     
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  2. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Because I trust Vinnie. He publishes the recipe for Pliny where it calls for 1056 or 001. This is virtually identical to US-05. If we're talking a 5 gallon batch you need 270'ish billion cells. His directions are to pitch two packets or make a starter if using liquid.

    Don't take this wrong (and I really like my stir plate), but knowledge of how all of this works is far more important than the tools in your brewhaus. My Pliny clone is carbing now (270B of re-used 1056, stepped up twice on a stir plate). My highest-scored beer ever was fermented with a single packet of US-05. Yeast . . . the final frontier . . .
     
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  3. ronobvious2

    ronobvious2 Initiate (0) Aug 24, 2010 Tennessee

    Sure, I understand the knowledge part; just wanting the next batch to turn our correctly and since it's a higher gravity DIPA, I thought I'd incorporate the next "thing" to learn and that was making a yeast starter.

    And thanks for the pdf link. Pretty cool.
     
  4. HerbMeowing

    HerbMeowing Maven (1,295) Nov 10, 2010 Virginia
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    Process:
    1) Make well-aerated 1-L starter of appropriate gravity with wort saved from last batch four days prior to pitching.
    2) Rouse yeast in the AM and again in the PM on Day 2 by swirling.
    3) Cold-crash starter in the PM of Day 3
    4) Bring starter to room temperature
    5) Decant 'starter beer' just prior to pitching

    Why I believe stir plates can be added to the rather long list of unnecessary home brew gadgets is because simple...low-tech methods produce more than adequate colonies of viable yeast.

    OP is also free to add aeration stones and pure oxygen infusion devices to the list of other unnecessary home brew gadgets.
     
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  5. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    White Labs packages 70 - 140 billion cells per vial (saccharomyces)
    Wyeast packages a minimum of 100 billion cells per smack pack

    Recommended pitching rates are 1.0 - 1.5 million cells per mL per degree plato of wort.

    For 5 gallons of 1.040 wort = 1,000,000 x 19,200 mL x 10 degree plato = 192 billion cells needed.
    So, 192 - 288 billion cells is what your looking for.

    I would theorize that the no-stir-plate method would still put you in that range of 1.0 - 1.5 million cells/mL/plato. I use stir plate because I use a lot of Brettanomyces (7-8 day multi stage starters) and because I feel it may produce healthier yeast cells. Either way, you should be fine though.
     
  6. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I don't think anyone will dispute that a stir plate works efficiently at building up cell counts, but it's the "other" effects that make a stir plate a "wash" for me. Cold crashing and decanting a highly oxidized starter is not something I want to do routinely.
     
  7. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I use one. It builds cell count faster and with less work required by me. And with all of my other unnecessary homebrew gadgets that I use, I appreciate the time, energy and reassurance that the stirplate provides me with.
     
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