yeast viability, and summer shipping

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  1. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I live in South East Texas which is hot most of the year (90-100 May-Sept). All the internet sites have disclaimers saying to not ship liquid yeast in the summer. The one local home brew store I have available to me (an hour away), consistently has old yeast. 4 months, 6 months, I've seen him have 12 month old yeast in the fridge and try to sell it to me. So if I want yeast variety, what is the lesser of 2 evils here?
     
  2. MrTCS

    MrTCS Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 Indiana

    Most places ship with an ice pack, or offer one for $.99. As long as you don't leave it sitting in your mailbox/front porch for hours you should be fine getting it shipped. At least that's been my experience.
     
  3. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I don't think the ice pack would last 3 days though. Unless I ordered 1 or maybe 2 day shipping, I don't think it would be kept cold.
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you desire to purchase liquid yeast right now (August) your best bet is to purchase from your LHBS. There will be more viable yeast in their 4 month old packages then what will survive a three day trip with an ice pack. As you rightly pointed out, an ice pack will not survive a three day trip.

    If you want to still work out a 'deal' with an online vendor you need to request that they pack your liquid yeast within a styrofoam 'box' with multiple ice packs included. Even then you are taking a bit of a risk.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    The best workaround is to have a closer supplier do the shipping. I live in FL but use suppliers in TN and GA. UPS ground is a two day shipment from either . . . if I ordered from Northern Brewer (MN) it would be a four day event. I always use two ice packs (what's another buck?) and because these are small time shops usually speak to the owner/packer directly. I've had no problem verifying the date of the yeast and they work with you . . . not packing the yeast until just before Mr. UPS arrives for pick up. I always order on Mon, which means it arrives on Wed with Thur as a back up (a weekend is a killer). My UPS delivers early-afternoon so I'm always hanging around at that time. If your delivery is later in the day it's a bigger problem.

    That said, I'm still reluctant to order anything in the really hot part of summer. If you upgrade to one day shipping you'll have more invested in transportation than yeast. This has driven me to make max use of re-using/harvesting yeast strains (Ommegang dregs are spinning on the stir plate as I type while a DuPont brew is cold-crashing).
     
  6. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    @PortLargo Great suggestion. Finding a LHBS nearby (whatever city is nearest) and having them ship would be your best bet. @corbmoster Where in TX are you?
     
  7. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I live in Huntsville (North of Conroe, East of Bryan College Station). There is Austin Homebrew Supply. They have a great online store, and due to various reasons with my not-so LHBS; I've been using more and more supply from them despite the cost increase. That having been said, from AHB, UPS ground it $10 and would be 2days at minimum, more likely 3 days. 2 and 3 day shipping is $13. All in all not bad if you are ordering a lot of things, ingredients, equipment. In an ideal world I would have my own -80 C freezer and I could maintain frozen stocks of yeast :grinning:
     
  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    @corbmoster, the other option is to keep a stock of dry yeast in your refrigerator. Over the past few years the dry yeast vendors have significantly increased the variety of yeast they produce and dry yeast when refrigerated has a two year shelf life. Buy the dry yeast during the colder time of the year and you are 'set' for two years.

    The one yeast strain that I use the most is a dry strain: US-05. I used that strain for 9 batches in 2015.

    Cheers!
     
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  9. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Not a shill for UPS, but the entire eastern half of Texas is one day shipping to Huntsville. Just looked at AHB, their prices seem high and shipping is higher than many . . . hard to believe there aren't other suppliers in Texas. Not a slam ... but all of this is easily found on Google.
     
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  10. zizouandyuki

    zizouandyuki Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2015 Texas

    I'd caution you again using Austin Homebrew Supply. I ordered some yeast from them that I couldn't find in Dallas at the time. They sent me two vials there were within weeks of their "best by" date, and another that was already past it. They then tried to argue that it shouldn't affect the yeast... that was the end of my business relationship with them.

    If you're open to other options, look @ Homebrew Headquarters in Dallas. Most of the yeast I get there was packaged within a week. They also have plenty of ice packs.

    Does Houston not have a LHBS? Cheers!
     
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  11. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    @corbmoster you have 3 breweries within about an hour of you, B-52, Southern Star and Copperhead, you might reach out to them and see if they are willing to part with some if you can make it by when they are harvesting it. I have been to B-52 several times and they seem like the kind of people that might be willing to do something like that. Doesn't hurt to ask
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The "Best By" date is arbitrary nonsense, but it is annoying when vendors can't manage their inventory turnover effectively. It's reasonable IMO to expect yeast that's less than a couple months old, at least for popular strains. A few years ago, a vendor emailed me to give me a choice between an old-ish pack of the yeast strain I had ordered and a much fresher vial of its equivalent, which I thought was nice.
     
  13. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    . . . don't leave us hanging . . . which way did you go?
     
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  14. suavo

    suavo Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2014

    What are you wanting to brew?
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    LOL. I took the fresher White Labs equivalent.
     
  16. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Houston does (Defalcos), but it's a long drive, and out of my way. It's pretty rare I head into Houston to be honest. Thanks for the tip on HBHQ. The way I see it: even ordering from Houston would take 2-3 days if not ordering nextday shipping.

    Yep I visit Conroe probably once or twice a month just to visit the breweries. I love B-52. The beer, the atmosphere, it's all perfect. I hadn't thought about asking for yeast from them to be honest. May give it a shot.

    Everything :grinning: When ever I've wanted to do a recipe I've seen online that calls for something other than Nottingham, or US-05 I'm always disappointing by my LHBS stock. He only keeps a couple other dry yeasts around, and as I said before the liquid yeast is always several months old. I think the freshest I've gotten was 2 months (which isn't bad), but 3-4 months is an average. He's tried to sell me 6 and 12 month old liquid yeast in the past.

    Shipping does seem a little high. What were you looking at as far as pricing goes? I was just looking at grain and malt extract. extract is the same as others I've compared to, and grain is a little cheaper than average. Edit- the yeast is a little high. I see that now. Still cheaper than my LHBS which is sad :slight_frown: he wan't $10 for a pack, and $5 for dry yeast. His LME is cheap though..
     
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  17. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    I'll try the brewerys and see if they might part ways with some yeast. Someone had said that 3 and 4 month old yeast is better that yeast that has sat in the sun, so I may just stick with my LHBS for now and do a step up starter or two. And if I make it to Houston, I'll see if I'm near a Defalcos.
     
  18. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Why don' you try Ritebrew in Wisconsin. They keep a wide variety of dry yeasts in stock and price/shipping is very reasonable.

    www.ritebrew.com
     
  19. corbmoster

    corbmoster Pundit (848) Dec 15, 2014 Texas
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    Because I always forget that there are now a multitude of dry ale yeasts being offered. Pretty much all the recipes I see call for wyeast, wlp, or one of a couple dry yeasts (not,05). So I get tunnel vision and forget about the other options. The exception I guess is if you find a place that doesn't have them. NB doesn't offer much, but AHS, Rite brew, and Defalcos do. Thanks for refreshing me on the dry yeast.
     
  20. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
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    Try seeing it this way . . .

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    Business days in transit to: HUNTSVILLE, TX 77320
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