Yoghurt vs Sour beer (bacteria count)

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by machalel, Jul 29, 2015.

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  1. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    I know, the answer will be "it depends", but just wondering if anyone has any idea on the relative amounts of Lacto in a 'generic' Sour vs a 'generic' Yoghurt. Only looking for rough order of magnitude.

    Say if the sour was a 355ml (12oz) bottle vs. a 150g (5.3oz) tub of yoghurt?
     
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  2. mrhartounian

    mrhartounian Initiate (0) Nov 23, 2009 Massachusetts

    "yoghurt" - Australian for "yogurt"
     
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  3. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    I think you'd get better luck posting this under Homebrewing than Beer Talk...many homebrewers are using yogurt or probiotic supplements instead of "brewers" lacto for souring nowadays. It's cheaper and easier to attain a diverse culture.
     
  4. WellRested518

    WellRested518 Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2014 New York

    You can also sour mash, but ^^^
     
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  5. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    I was debating where to put it, but wasn't sure if the "people in the know" would be frequenting that folder.
     
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  6. cookiequiz

    cookiequiz Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2013 California

    I think Homebrewing has way more "people in the know" than Beer Talk does. Have you read any of the things posted here on Beer Talk? :stuck_out_tongue:
     
  7. wesbray

    wesbray Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2012 Canada (AB)

    Yogurt, Yank for yoghurt.
     
  8. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    @cookiequiz - good point! lol
    Is there any way of moving it? Or is that a mod-only function?


    I was thinking about it last night, and you'd probably have to restrict the example even more to be able to get an estimate. So, say a 4% Berliner Weisse (yeast + lacto only) with v. minimal hopping. I also get that the age will make a massive impact too.
     
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  9. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Don't be shy, cut and paste your original post in a new thread under Homebrewing...I'm sure you'll get a few quick intelligent replies from people with the right experience.
     
  10. CASK1

    CASK1 Pundit (951) Jan 7, 2010 Florida

    I don't think specific numbers are available, but some really good info here.
     
  11. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    If you found the answer, what would you do with it?
     
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  12. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,097) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    Probably depends on what specific brand of yogurt and what specific beer.
     
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  13. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,238) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I would base a back of the envelope calculation on food content for original cultures in the beer and in the yogurt. You might assume an OG for the beer and then calculate grams of sugar required to make that OG. Compare it to the amount sugar in the volume of milk required to make a 5.3 oz tub of yogurt (it is greater than 5.3 oz; when I make yogurt I would guesstimate the final volume is about 80% of the starting volume (pouring off the water liquid); if it is Greek yogurt, it is probably more like 67% of the starting volume. As a first stab, I'd say the one with the greater amount of starting sugar ought to support more cells. Certainly there may be other considerations: is the sour exclusively a lacto derived beer or did the lacto have to compete with Brett or Sacch to get sugars, how fermentable was the wort, what was the final gravity, in what other ways did the fermentation environment differ, etc. It seems like you might be comparing apples to oranges which makes me wonder the same question as @brewbetty above.
     
  14. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Manufacture and market a new digestive health product? :wink:
     
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