"You know you can just buy them, right?"-Mini Rant

Discussion in 'Trade Talk' started by HomeBrewed, Jul 25, 2012.

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  1. HomeBrewed

    HomeBrewed Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2006 Minnesota

    Is anyone else sick of people suggesting, in someone else's trade ISO/FT thread, that you can just order (buy) bottles of said beer online? Not through Ebay obviously, but through another website. Etre Gourmet, Belgium in a Box, Lets Pour, a brewery's own website, etc. I understand the want to tell other people about this option, but I feel it's the wrong setting. Trading is done for two reasons. One; so you can try beer you are not otherwise able to try. Two; so your trading partner can taste beers you have come to love or they cannot get in their area. By bringing up the idea of just buying it online, you take away reason number 2. Trader's will always do what they want, and I'm sure there are plenty of you that agree with me on this. I will always do the trade over just buying it online. End of rant. Cheers!
     
  2. coreyfmcdonald

    coreyfmcdonald Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2008 Georgia

    I disagree wholeheartedly. If OP does not want to buy beer online, OP will disregard comment. However, I'd like to know if I'm ISO a beer that I can buy online. I just may use that option or at least know I shouldn't be giving up extremely limited beer to get the beer I'm ISO.
     
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  3. vacax

    vacax Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2008 California

    Shouldn't the trader at least know of their options and have the choice to trade?
     
  4. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    I don't mind if someone (politely) points out to me that a beer I'm searching for is available online. But, I'm in the same boat as you and I'd much rather receive it via trade. I get just as much satisfaction by helping others out as I do by getting to try a new beer.
     
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  5. HomeBrewed

    HomeBrewed Initiate (0) Dec 10, 2006 Minnesota

    I understand this point of view for sure, as I said in my OP. My point is that it discourages trading.
     
  6. Rempo

    Rempo Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2010 Indiana

    If I'm buying beer online, I'm paying for bottles and shipping. I end up happy.
    If I'm trading beer, I'm paying for bottles and shipping. Two people end up happy.

    (I fully understand that some prefer the 'safeness' and less hassle involved with buying)
     
  7. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    disagree completely. If you want to be super technical about it, wouldn't you rather support the brewery than a trader (ie, without the brewery, the trade wouldnt happen). You're basically saying you would rather not contribute to the brewery's growth, in order to make another trader happy.

    If its available for purchase, I'll do whatever i can to buy it (again, through legit sites). Support the breweries, not the trader. And hell, if you say, well I rather just trade this beer away for it, then fine go ahead, I am not saying that is bad. But to say its the "wrong setting" (imo, your assumption is what is wrong) or that it "discourages trading" (who cares?)

    Aren't we all here for the love of the product?

    /rebuttal
     
  8. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    Wouldn't the beer still have to be purchased? I won't trade for stolen beer.
     
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  9. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    of course, but in theory its 1 bottle of sales vs 2 bottles of sales
     
  10. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    Both traders would have to buy beer, correct?
     
  11. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    I'm confused. Isn't it one bottle of sales either way?
     
  12. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    oh so the asumption you are taking is that the beers being traded are from the same brewery? :astonished:
     
  13. FTowne

    FTowne Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2012 Missouri

    No, I'm saying that 2 different craft breweries are being supported.
     
  14. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois


    I dont think so. hahah, am i way off here ? Let me think about this.
     
  15. stupac2

    stupac2 Pooh-Bah (2,031) Feb 22, 2011 California
    Pooh-Bah

    ...wut? No it's not. Either you get the bottle from a trader (who may or may not have already bought it) or you get it from a distribution, who definitely already bought it. Once it's in stock on a website the brewery has been paid. That's why it's in stock. A trader may or may not have the bottle, but either way the brewery will be getting the same amount of money.

    Actually, that's not necessarily true, with a trader the brewery could get more money because they could buy it at the brewery, depending on the trade/trader, and the margins at the brewery should be better than the wholesale margins.
     
  16. Sarlacc83

    Sarlacc83 Initiate (0) Mar 2, 2008 Oregon

    Personally, I'd rather trade than buy online. Even if online buying has less hassle, then I have to start factoring in what they're going to charge me for materials up and above the cost of trading. And if we're talking about Etre Gourmet or similar Belgian shops, then there's the whole customs/overseas shipping aspect.
     
  17. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    Well, I guess I'm thinking of a locals 4 locals type trade, where I would just go in and buy the stuff off the shelf a day or two before shipping. In that scenario, had it not been for the trade, I wouldn't be buying the beer, but the other person would (online), so it's still just one sale.
     
  18. Grohnke

    Grohnke Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2009 Illinois

    [holds up white flag]
     
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  19. jivex5k

    jivex5k Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2011 Florida

    Part of the love is sharing the love.
    The beers I trade are beers I buy for the purpose of trading away. I wouldn't have bought them otherwise.
    Say a person wants some Oak Aged Yeti and sets up a trade with me. I go out and buy one for him, one that I would never have bought otherwise.
    If he buys it online himself then the trade never happens but the brewery still makes that one sale they would have from me.
    The brewery isn't losing sales due to trading.

    If breweries are worried about losing out on the value of rarity and age they should stash some of their own bottles for a decade and release them at a raised price like vineyards do.
     
  20. MarkIntihar

    MarkIntihar Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2010 Michigan

    [holds up different white flag]

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    :wink:
     
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