Your thoughts on Alpine's decision?

I'm not going to argue with either of your statements, but they don't address what I'm saying about the reselling of beer, even at enormous markups, as being immoral.

 

Any action that is illegal can be immoral. That's all it takes.

Price gouging "in which a seller prices goods or commodities much higher than is considered reasonable or fair." is illegal, there are laws against it in emergency situations when it relates to necessities. I would wager while not illegal for beer, there's still ethical ramifications surrounding it.

 

You're making some pretty broad statements that do not really address what I was saying.

Yes, price gouging affects people. I'm not talking about price gouging in all or general contexts, just in this circumstance. In this circumstance it is just affecting people who either WANT the beer and can't afford it, or WILLINGLY buy the beer and pay too much. I want a vintage Ferrari, but as I can't afford it I don't get to scream that someone's being unethical because they bought something that has high demand and are now naming their price for it.

Yes, we have laws against price gouging in CERTAIN situations. That doesn't apply to this one.

Yes, taking advantage of people is horrible, but if you're honestly trying to say that the people who WILLINGLY pay these hiked prices somehow get the right to scream about how they are "victims," well then, I don't know that we can really reach any kind of agreement.

 

"Can be immoral" is not the same as "is immoral."

By that definition, drinking beer is immoral.

 

This sentence either means nothing, and therefore is unnecessary, or it is overly strong in which case it is ridiculous.

Are you actually saying what you type in the first sentence? That is like saying any car can be blue. That is correct, any car has the potential to be blue, but who cares.

Or are you saying that an otherwise moral act, if illegal, would be considered immoral, which is a ridiculous statement as well. Would you say in countries that oppress their citizens that working against that oppression is immoral? No, but it is illegal.

I'm just trying to understand what you mean.

 

I'm just saying in an instance where the seller is knowingly breaking the law, it's immoral, assuming the law has moral basis. In your example of oppression, the law itself is immoral, so the opposite would be true. It's not always that crystal clear because legality and immorality are separate definitions, but in this scenario where a law is in place, the simple actions of not having a permit, not paying taxes, selling for consumption, taking beer out of the market it was intended for, selling at a higher than reasonable or fair price, it's all immoral. Doesn't even have to be illegal to be immoral, but it is illegal.

Just because they post a disclaimer and just because someone agrees to pay it, does not inherently make it moral and acceptable.

If you're underage or intoxicated, yes, drinking beer is immoral.​

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You're speaking pretty general too. This is less about selling beer at a profit as it is about intrastate transport of beer and selling beer that is available at a retail store and the owner had specifically stated that the beer should not be resold. My comments are more or less specific to this scenario, I don't really want to get into a moral argument here about oppression in other countries.

 

See, that may be true, but we all know that you actually believe you are humble. We all just know that you are not.

 

I give up on this, we're just going to have to agree that we don't have the same definitions of much at all.

 

Does anyone know where i can get pure and exponential hopiness send to NJ? I'm wiling to pay and wanted a case of each so badly. After having two bottles on a trade i fell in love. Please someone help!!

 

I understand it, but letting a few ebayers run the asylum is over reacting. The only people Alpine is putting the fear in is us, their consumer.

 

My feelings is that many of the smaller stores are the one's putting the bottles on ebay. At least you can somewhat control chains like Binny's who get Founders, Hopslam etc... because it would be apparent if nothing hit the shelves. Often you will see the same seller having 10 bottles of CBS, KH or Bramble.

 

I'm calling bullshit. Money talks...