Veritas 008
The Lost Abbey

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Wild Ale
3.87 | pDev: 16.54%
The Lost Abbey
California, United States
Retired (no longer brewed)
Very Good
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DavoleBomb from Pennsylvania

3.75/5  rDev -3.1%

Poured into a tulip. Had an incredibly trying time pulling the damn cork out.

2.00 A: Hazy yellow brown color. Lots of carbonation which makes several fingers of white backwater foam. It falls quickly and leaves just a few wisps of lacing.

4.00 S: Big herbalness and meadow funk. Chamomile, mint, peaches, lemon. Acetic sourness. Hay, wildflowers, and dry woodiness to round things out. Smells pretty good actually.

3.50 T: The taste isn't bad, but it's not as good as the nose. It's surprisingly tannic and astringent which somewhat masks what would be a huge herbalness. Again chamomile, mint with white tea and maybe some jasmine. Hay, wildflowers, funky woodiness. Lactic and acetic are about equivalent. Much better than I was expecting

3.50 M: Lighter medium body. Surprisingly moderate carbonation. Astringent aftertaste, but not too distracting.

3.50 D: I was expecting this to be ass, but I suppose time has done this well. Seems like LA should have stuck this in the basement and made it Veritas 14 when the time came.

Aug 18, 2014
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WillCarrera from Ohio

4.3/5  rDev +11.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.25

750ml bottle, generously shared by ahalloin, thanks dude!

A- Pours a hazy golden color, produces a thin white head that recedes to a wisp.

S- Smells absolutely delicious. The aroma is dominated by a really complex, interesting herbal aroma, with tea and spice, a pretty prominent lactic acidity, barnyard sourness, stone fruit and oak. Awesome.

T- The taste is considerably toned down compared to the aroma, which is too bad, but it's still pretty good. Loads of lactic tartness out of the gate, some stone fruit and slightly sweet grain, finishes with a some bitter herbal and subtle tea flavors.

M- Medium-bodied, very dry with lots of carbonation.

O- A very nice beer, deserves high marks for the aroma alone, which I could happily smell all day. The vitamin/medicine/off aromas and flavors that others have complained of were completely absent here, perhaps some bottle variation or age issues are causing some of the huge scoring variations on this one. I probably wouldn't give up the ammo needed to land this, but I thought this was very tasty and enjoyable nonetheless.

Apr 14, 2013
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ahalloin from Virginia

4.34/5  rDev +12.1%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25

Cork popped enthusiastically. Pours a straw yellow with big white head. Slightly cloudy. Tight head and lacing make for a nice looking beer.

The smell is fairly complex with dominant lactic sourness, barnyard funk and damp hay. Slight tea seems more subdued than previous reviews.

The taste is dominated by a strong satisfying tartness. Strong herbal bitterness on the back end. Lots of acidity but balanced very well.

Very high carbonation contributes to great effervescence.

Overall I'd venture to say this is highly underrated. Strong tartness and dryness make it very drinkable.

Apr 13, 2013
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Dreadnaught33 from District of Columbia

4.5/5  rDev +16.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.75 | overall: 4.5

bottle shared thanks to ahalloin, thanks Tony.

The look is nice, it has a really hazy look with a nearly fresh squeezed OJ look. small amount of white head.

the smell is complex, it has an overall tart lactic note to it, but with the calming herbal tea hitting at the end of the aroma as well, with some light skinned fruit and touch of sweetness in the middle. i get some peach like aromas. very nice.

This beer tastes really nice, some great tartness, citrus and peach fruit notes and then some of the herb tea at the end, it actually tastes really nice and works very well. overall a very nice sour that seems very calming as well with the tea additions.

Feel is good, nice carbonation and medium smooth feel, it rolls over nice on the palate. A very interesting, unique and underrated beer.

Apr 13, 2013
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DefenCorps from Oregon

4.4/5  rDev +13.7%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4.5

Thanks, Matt/CJ! I loved this.

Hazy light yellow with a dense, white head with excellent retention and lacing, this was the best-looking beer of the night. The nose is bright, and fruity with a blend of mango, citrus and stone fruit. The black tea lends a moderate flavor and some bitterness, but the blend is excellent. Very fruity (I've underlined very in my notes) with ripe, fleshy, pulpy oranges. A little vanilla is noticeable too.

The palate is over-carbonated, but otherwise, very tasty. Black tea notes up front with bright citrus make for a refreshing beer. This is a brilliant riff on a witbier - bright, fruity, spicy and unique with the citrus notes lending an exceptional structure on which the flavors are layered. Sourness is light, mildly lactic. Exceptional structure and balance here, this beer is very refreshing and comes with high recommendations, despite the poor scores.

Fans of the Zwanze 2010 should check this out. IMO, this beer stays true to the Veritas lineup in being experimental, and actually nicely done.

Jul 02, 2012
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starrdogg from District of Columbia

4.32/5  rDev +11.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Part of the massive Lost Abbey tasting.

Pours a hazy golden color with a fluffy white head. Aroma is incredibly unique - has an interesting mix of spices and tea plus some oak and barrel funk. Flavor is also rather interesting - it's got a great blend of spices (that I can't quite put my finger on), lemon zest and tea along alongside a mildly sour/funky wheat beer. Mouthfeel is light and heavily carbonated. Overall, this is an excellent beer that I believe is criminally underrated just because it's very different from the other Veritas beers. It's damn good and an excellent experience.

Jul 02, 2012
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raveskdr from Virginia

4.42/5  rDev +14.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Courtesy of a joint trade between Starrdogg and myself. Had to complete as much of the series as possible. Poured into a mini snifter.

A - Very light golden straw color with solid amount of head. The thin white head sticks to the glass halfway from beer to top.

S - Very small bits of mango and pineapple accentuate funky barnyard. Slight wheat like esters prevail as well.

T - Very light and crisp passionfruit along with other tropical flavors right up front. Tart acidity in the middle which follows through slightly to the end. Very little bit of tea in the middle and a bit more through the back end.

M - Very "fluffy" when finally drinking it. The tartness sits up front instead of attacking the back of my mouth.

O - This beer gets quite the bad wrap. No, it's not v004 or v005, but its a step outside the comfort zone in regards to beer in general, and especially sours. This finished way higher than I thought it would amongst the Veritas series.

Jul 02, 2012
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emerge077 from Illinois

3.9/5  rDev +0.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Bunzfest2012: Make it so... Thanks Patrick for sharing!
Quick review from written notes, served in a mini-tulip glass.

Spotty lace around the edges, good coverage on the surface. Body is a hazy gold, looks a bit like carbonated lemonade.

Big lemon and lime zest in the aroma, fresh and fruity with a hint of citrusy tartness.

Tart citrus flavors, lemony with a light effervescent dry feel. Crisp and clean, zesty carbonation with a citrus forward flavor. Good rendition of an Arnold Palmer, though a little bit one dimensional. Not especially funky, it was highly attenuated. Definitely refreshing to sip around noon on a saturday in the mid-80's.

May 22, 2012
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scottfrie from California

4/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks again Jeff! Snifter.

A: Steady stream of foam on this one after the cork popped. Pours a cloudy lemon color with a billowing bright white head.
S: I definitely smell the tea but it's not potent. Doesn’t smell bad actually. I smell straw and a bit of golden fruits as well.
T: Green tea powder, hay, yeast, slight funk, and a bit of green apple. Not bad really. Golden fruits and a bit of citrus come through in the finish.
M: Medium body, soft carbonation, slick and easy mouthfeel. Goes down smooth. Not much tartness.
O: Much better than I expected. I might actually want to drink this again. The tea was noticeable and worked well. Thanks again buddy.

May 19, 2012
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oline73 from Maryland

4.27/5  rDev +10.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

I was able to try a pour of this beer at Sour and Bitter. Poured into a stemless wine glass.

Appearance: Pours a very cloudy golden color with a finger of white head that faded to a layer on top of the pour.

Smell: Reminds me of dried apricots. There is a slight tartness and some herbal notes. Bright and sweet citrus.

Taste: Not as sweet as the smell would suggest. Apricots and other sweet citrus notes. There is a slight funk to the beer and a mild citrus bitterness in the finish.

Mouthfeel: Medium body with fluffy carbonation and a dry finish.

Overall: This beer really surprised me. I really enjoyed the apricot notes. I would definitely have this one again.

May 17, 2012
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Huhzubendah from District of Columbia

3.53/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Consumed with all ten Veritas beers on April 14, 2012. Shared by Thorpe429, who had this shipped to my house last minute to ensure it would be there to complete the vertical. You rock, Mike.

The beer is straw yellow with a light haze. Atop the beer is a small head that fades within a few minutes. The aroma offers herbal notes, tea, lemonade. Certainly an atypical scent from a beer of this ilk. That said, I enjoyed this beer, though I found most of the other beers in this series to be much more complex, intriguing, and flavorful. Tea and lemonade flavors prevail, with only subtle hints of tartness / sourness. I'm glad to have tried this, but I doubt I would have it again.

Apr 22, 2012
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largadeer from California

3.78/5  rDev -2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Bottle at Toronado.

Hazy straw-hued body with a lasting half-inch of frothy head.

Really funky nose, a ton of bretty barnyard, a little sulfur, a lot of lemon. Strangely herbal (thyme?) with a definite tea character that's not particularly offensive.

The palate is pretty decent. Mild lactic sourness up front, a lot of lemon flesh tartness along with mild lemon rind tannin, slight pale grain flavors, some phenolic funk and a rather integrated and unobtrusive tea flavor. Strange but pretty good.

Feb 15, 2012
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claytong from Vermont

4.15/5  rDev +7.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

appearance - a mostly golden color with a hint of crimson or pink. somewhat hazy and a small bubbly head.

smell - tart cherries, apple vinegar, lemon pepper

taste - lemon pepper, tart cherries, chamomille, apple vinegar...all about equal

mouthfeel - high carbonation, dry finish, light body.

Oct 20, 2011
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JAXSON from Pennsylvania

4.05/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Pours a straw gold with a white head. Nose is funky brett, citrus, and an earthy tea like element. Mouth is heavy on the lemon and tea notes, sour, slaty, earthy. Once you understand that what you're tasting is black tea it's very pleasant. Otherwise it may come across as pretty weird. Pleasant and refreshing, probably underrated for its apparent flaws, which is something I don't often say about Lost Abbey.

Sep 25, 2011
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Doodler from Colorado

4.05/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

750 bomber. Poured a hazy golden with an off-white head. Light foam and thin lacing on the head. Nose is lemon, funk, straw and herbal tea. A nice tangy sipper, the chamomile tea flavors are unique and ever-present. A drying finish. Mildly carbed. A well-made beer and quite refreshing.

Sep 07, 2011
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DenverLogan from Colorado

4.88/5  rDev +26.1%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 5 | feel: 5 | overall: 5

Yellow with signification cloudiness...little white head. Rich, spritzy and refreshing flavor with nice apricot, grape, apple but none too strong. Slight tea notes...perhaps chamomile or a citrus blend. I'm sitting with 10 other tasters and we didn't experience some of the nastiness written by others with this particular bottle...oh well!! Really lovely body and very of my favorite sours!

Sep 05, 2011
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TheJollyHop from California

3.51/5  rDev -9.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Loud pop upon opening! (So much for the flat abbey moniker).

Appearance: Golden hued and clear with a plethora of small bubbles and a solid one inch of meringue like head.

On the nose; funky, apple cider vinegar

The taste is very one dimensional with lemon and some tropical fruit pith (pineapple rind) upfront. There is a little black pepper, and some tea bag like astringency on the finish.

Medium to high carbonation and prickly on the tongue. There is definitely some side of the tongue salivation as well.

Overall not the most interesting sour, but slightly refreshing nonetheless.

Jul 27, 2011
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FosterJM from California

3.55/5  rDev -8.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

672nd Review on BA
Bottle to Flute
750 ML, C/C

App- A very light and bright yellow with a nice bubbly one finger head. A little bit of cling and a little lace.

Smell- A bright lemon note with as much as I can say lemonade and a bit sugary. Very very light on the nose.

Taste- It's a little sour with lemon and citrus taking over. A slight damp, funk was there on the back of tounge. Not too much going on. Nice little sour beer.

Mouth- A very prickly feel with bubbles and lemon. High carbed actually and very soft.

Drink- It was pretty good, a little above average and pretty tasty. Was a bit spritzy for me, but was very glad to try it and not trade for a bottle.

Jul 25, 2011
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SpeedwayJim from New York

2.84/5  rDev -26.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Thanks to capra12 for sharing this one. Have to keep the Veritas streak going! Poured into a Darkness snifter. Reviewed from notes.

Veritas 008 actually looks fantastic. Pours a nice 1 finger white head with great retention and the beer itself is a clear goldenrod. Lacing is patchy but doesn't stick. One of the better looking in the series.

Beer smells like a futher lemon infused pinesol. Strong lemon zest and rind, peaches, and a strange sulfur smell that lingers in the background providing a rotten egg presence. The funkiness that's expected from a wild ale is almost completely missing. Not bad but very very strange. And the sulfur, although barely detectable still ruin the experience a bit.

Taste is lemon rind, citrus fruit tartness, with a yeasty bitterness towards the end. There's also some odd mintiness going on which is a bit strange along with some odd flour characteristics. Amost like a mojito infused with lemons that's been sitting out too long.

Body is again, one of the better ones in the series. Great carbonation. Prickly, lively and crisp in the mouth. Finish is thankfully pretty clean with no aftertaste. What I'd expect from the style.

Veritas 008 is a bit understood. The tartness is building in this one but it was never the lack of sour that made this beer bad. Rather, it was the strange mint and sulfur flavors that ruin it. And those don't seem to be fading any time soon. Not a terrible beer but just very different from what's expected and not in a particularly intriguing way.

Jul 04, 2011
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thagr81us from South Carolina

3.71/5  rDev -4.1%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Had this one during the 'We Want The Funk!' tasting that was graciously hosted by beermeX2! Big thanks goes out to beermeX2 for sharing this one with the group! Served from bottle into a Mikkeller flute. Poured a hazy golden yellow with a two finger off-white head that subsided to half a finger slowly. Maintained decent lacing throughout the glass. The aroma was comprised of sweet malt, lemon zest, tart, and tea. The flavor was of sweet malt, lemon, tea, slight sour, and slight tart. It had a light feel on the palate with high carbonation. Overall this brew was good, but it definitely wasn't that great. Completely different beer V007 which was tasted right before this one (which I know was their intention). But seriously, tea in a Wild Ale!? Not sure how I felt about this, but now I know. I was not a massive fan. It was still good though don't get me wrong, but just felt out of place on the flavor and aroma. Glad I got to try it, but I doubt I would go out of my way to trade for a bottle for my own cellar/consumption needs. At least it was carbonated though... *shoulder shrug*

Jun 28, 2011
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mikesgroove from South Carolina

3.19/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 4 | smell: 2.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

had to try this obe for myself so traded for a bottle knowing i might not get the winning end of the trade but i have to admit it was not the horror story it could have been, poured into a snifter.

nice golden pour with a good cloudiness and a nice and mellow head of white lacing that nicely capped the glass. but as i reach in for a smell things start to get, well interesting. i am not sure what this is really, it was astringent, metallic and floral at the same time, i dont really know or sure what it was or was supposed to be but citrus and metal and cherries? a bit better as i took the first sip. thankfully it was ot as odd, though it still struggled to find a home of any kin. tart and sour, with vinegar and apples coming though, still a strange offness to it, but it settled out as it warmed and got much cleaner, sour an dry finish rounded it off.

overall it was all of the place, a mess to the nose, but confusing on the palate. i think i lost this trade

May 07, 2011
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johndoe8 from California

3.96/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Honestly, having had this multiple times at the Lost Abbey Barrel Night last year, then again @ the Triple Rock / Jupiter Rare beer fest during SF Beer Week, and now again @ Oakquinox (Mike from Lost Abbey brought a bottle from their cellars), I have to say this beer is getting better.

It's getting more and more sour, which is helping make up for the strange flavor combination it had when it wasn't as sour.

I'm hoping it gets more sours in a year or two as I have 1 bottle left.. I have to admit without any sourness to it (read some of the older reviews), the flavors in this beer make no sense (the lemon tea, zest, etc).

Apr 19, 2011
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gford217 from Georgia

3.53/5  rDev -8.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Big thanks to a generous CA trader for this bottle.

Pours a hazy golden yellow with a huge white head that's really rocky with lots of bubbles feeding the bottom. It hangs around for ages and leaves strong lacing.

The aroma is interesting and like no other beer I've smelled. It truly smells like a funky Arnold Palmer. I can definitely get some tea leaves with light lemon notes and maybe a touch of herbal hops.

The taste has an initial earthy funk with tea and tart lemons mixed in. The finish is dry and oaky with some spiciness mixed in.

The mouthfeel is light bodied with low carbonation and dry. It's a little too watery for my liking.

This is certainly one of the least impressive of the Veritas I've had but it's an interesting experiment of mixing funk with Arnold Palmer. Decent.

Apr 03, 2011
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mdfb79 from New York

3.58/5  rDev -7.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

From 03/11/11 notes. Had at Night of the Barrels up in Boston, MA.

a - Pours a hazy golden color with an inch of white head and light carbonation evident.

s - Smells of lemon, oak, citrus, vanilla, and iced tea. Light acedic notes but not very sour; the lemon iced tea is pretty prominent.

t - Tastes of lemon iced tea...also citrus, lemon zest, oak, light funk, and light sour fruit. Again, lots of iced tea.

m - Medium body and low carbonation.

d - A decent beer but easily the worst of the 4 Veritas beers I've had (the other three being 004, 006, and 007). It wasn't very sour and tasted more like lemon iced tea than a wild ale. Wouldn't seek out again, but would give another shot.

Mar 23, 2011
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drabmuh from Maryland

3.18/5  rDev -17.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 3

Transferred from my TEA review, I deleted the other review

Tomme told me that this was his attempt at an alcoholic Arnold Palmer, isn't the point of an Arnold Palmer that it was non-alcoholic? It's kind of like naming a dessert after BB King (he's diabetic).

Beer is yellow and really hazy with a soft white head that is thin and leaves some lacing on the glass.

Smells like lemons and ice tea...oh god, what is going to happen next.

This beer is thinner than water, if that's possible. Its very grassy, lemony, lots of tea leaf flavors in the midpalate. Very strong overall. It really does taste like lemonade and tea. Its interesting but its not great.

Mar 21, 2011
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