Scratch Beer 17 - 2009 | Tröegs Brewing Company

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Scratch Beer 17 - 2009Scratch Beer 17 - 2009

Brewed by:
Tröegs Brewing Company
Pennsylvania, United States

Style: German Pilsener

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 5.60%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

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Added by akorsak on 01-13-2009

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Reviews: 49 | Ratings: 56
Photo of orangesol
3.53/5  rDev -13.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to whoever brought this one to our IPA day party. Yet another old scratch beer tick. This one is now almost three years old.

A - Pours crystal clear golden yellow with a nice one finger tall white head leaving light lacing down the glass.

S - Smells of pale malt, dulled grassy hops, and some bready malt. For being this old it has held up surprisingly well.

T - Starts off with the pale malt quickly giving way to a mix of dulled grassy hops, some bready malt, and some light oxidation. Some light sweetness creeps in as it warms up a bit. The finish is a bit dry with some light chewiness, lingering for a short period of time.

M - Light body and flavor with moderate carbonation. Crisp, clean, feel with a bit of chewiness at the very end lingering through the finish.

O - While this one is obviously past its prime it is still holding its own. If you still have some of these I would say you should drink them now as they aren't getting any better.

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Photo of womencantsail
3.58/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to Greg for sending me this one.

A: The beer pours a clear golden orange color with a soapy white head.

S: Not really any aroma to this beer. A little bit of a pale malt and bread aroma. Some mild lager yeast and perhaps some spicy hops and lemon zest.

T: Some sweet bread flavor and some pale malts. Grass and lemon zest with a mild earthy, floral, and spicy (presumably) hop flavor as well. Lager yeast and a mild bitterness on the back end.

M: Light to medium in body with a medium level of carbonation.

O: Can't really expect that a pilsener would hold up this long, but it's done surprisingly alright.

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Photo of nickd717
3.76/5  rDev -7.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

Bottle thanks to dashirey. Review transcribed from notes dated September 2010.

Pours a clear yellowish color with a decently formed white head.

Nice pilsner aroma, if faded. Great pale malt base, slight grain, and faintly floral hops.

The flavor is nice. Sweet pale malt, floral hops, and slight sherry oxidation.

Smooth as hell on the mouthfeel with medium-light body and medium-low carbonation level.

Surprisingly good for an old pilsner. Good job again, Troegs.

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Photo of mothman
3.48/5  rDev -14.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Pours 1/2 finger of white head. Color is a hazed burnt straw yellow. Good retention with some splattered lace.

Aroma: Grassy hops with biscuit malts. Some corn flavors. Fairly basic.

Taste: Bready/biscuity malt profile. Grassy hops again. Corn. Pretty much just like the aroma. A sweet flavor.

Mouthfeel: Crisp and clean. Lighter bodied with a medium amount of carbonation. Ends dry, a bit bland.

Overall, a regular average pils. Decent drinkability. Nothing crazy out of the ordinary, but that is expected from the style.

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Photo of kbutler1
3.36/5  rDev -17.6%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3

Bottle. Cloudy golden color with a white head. Sweet malt aroma reminiscent of sweet corn. Very clean and crisp flavor with a balance of malt and hops. Would be a good beer for a hot day outside or something not too heavy. A tough one to really "rate" as this style is just non-complex to me but I don't think it really is suppose to be. If the goal of a Pilsener is to be clean, refreshing, and easy to drink than this one nails it.

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Photo of kkipple
3.5/5  rDev -14.2%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Massive Mega Scratch Beer Tasting @ the Meat Meet, 8.21.2010. Thanks Unclejedi!

Scores reflect how the beer is drinking NOW, and not when released.

Simply a pretty good German Pils past due. Still surprisingly tasty, but lets face it - a Pilsner can't be great 1.5 years after brewed. Malt has taken over here, but this looks good and tastes fine, still -- just not anything unusually good. Glad to have tried it -- Troegs has crafted a TON of different styles here, most of them above-average. Keep it up, kids.

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Photo of mikey711
3.2/5  rDev -21.6%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

I think this one is a little past its prime

A: Cloudy straw color yellow. Minimal amount of white head with spotty lacing. Lots of carbonation rushes up from the bottom, I would have liked this one to be a bit clearer

S: Slightly floral hop note with some mellow caramel and earthy notes.

t: slightly bread taste, some sweet caramel notes, a bit of mustiness. I would have liked the hops to be a bit crisper and cleaner tasting

m: it actually has a very nice full body and a good amount of creaminess

D: past its prime for sure but besides that i was dissappointed with the cloudy appearance. Easy to drink but clearly it would be better fresher

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Photo of Hojaminbag
4.03/5  rDev -1.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

I got this beer today from Deuane, who went out of his way to meet me despite the fact that I was late for our meeting. Thanks Deuane!

A slightly hazy, straw colored body with about a finger and a half of white head. Some really solid lacing and retention on this one; a great looking beer.

Big pale pilsner malt in the aroma. Tons of sweetness and some biscuity aroma.

Up front there is a bit of lemony hop presence that fades into big, sweet pilsner malts and biscuit like malts. The finish is nice and
Hoppy, giving flavors of lemon and grass. The malts are the strongest flavor in this beer for sure, but the hop profile is great.

Mouthfeel is light and airy with a very dry finish.

Pretty drinkable beer, another winner from Troegs. However, This might have been better a little fresher, and I still prefer sunshine pils.

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Photo of wisrarebeer
4.15/5  rDev +1.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

a: straw-colored, slightly hazy
s: not overpowering, mellow but noticeable noble hops
t: very good, traditional German-style pilsner with nice balance of malt and hops, nothing unusual but just a well-made beer
m: great mouthfeel, not overly hoppy like most American beers today, satisfying
d: very drinkable, well-balanced and great all-day warm weather beer

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Photo of Wasatch
3.97/5  rDev -2.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Thanks goes out to mikereaser for this one.

Pours a nice cloudy pale yellow color, nice carbonation, nice little fizzy white head, with some sticky lacing left behind. The nose is malty, with a nice hop note, with some spices. The taste is slightly sweet, malty, bitter, hoppy, nice touch of spices. Medium body. Drinkable, a nice GP.

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Photo of thain709
3.88/5  rDev -4.9%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - A bright golden yellow body...big two finger white head...moderate lacing

S - Nothing special...standard pilsener aromas

T - At first you are met with the pale German malts...just briefly...a strong hop bitterness comes right in...the German malts make a stronger appearance underneath to take away major bitterness

M - Medium bodied...carbonation makes it very crisp

D - I like Scratch 17 better than Sunshine seemed to have more flavor and more hop presence...a good beer (if you would still have any) for a hot day

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Photo of mynie
4.21/5  rDev +3.2%
look: 4.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Nice pour, very dark, hazy bright yellow with a tight head that's as white as a cloud. Looks more like a hefe than a pils, actually, but that is just fine by me,

Fairly dull smell. Weeds, pollen, saaz. Standard for the style. Or--standard for a well brewed version of the style, that is.

Tastes stronger, with all the standard nodes there balanced perfectly together. Malt, bitter hops, dry hops. It's not complicated, but man is it satisfying, like having a smiley face written on the top of a paper in lieu of a grade and an explanation for that grade.

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Photo of prototypic
4.18/5  rDev +2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Huge thanks to guinnessdoc for the hook-up on this one. Much appreciated, Josh.

Ahhhh...with Scratch 17, Tröegs brings us a German Pilsner (Pilsener, if it suits you). It's moderately hazy and light golden in color. With a little light, it's closer to yellow. It's topped with a very nice foamy white head that's a couple of fingers deep. It took quite a bit longer to completely dissipate than I would've ever expected and left thick, sticky sheets of lace clinging to the glass. Pretty impressive stuff.

The nose is lacking in strength and suffers a little as a result. Hops are very apparent right off the bat. They smell mostly floral and give it an overall earthy quality. Smells like there's a bit of spiciness to it that might be attributed to the hops. It doesn't smell like any identifiable spice. Lemon is noted, but is pretty faint. It smells a little sweet due to pale (or some other variety of malt). That pretty much wraps it up. There's a good base here to work with, it just needs more muscle.

The flavor profile is damn impressive. It has a very tasty hop flavor. I don't know what the bill is here, but it works extremely well. They're equal parts floral and spicy. The spicy aspect of it gives it an edge that really drives the flavor score higher than I expected it to be. The floral element is grainy and grassy. Pale malts seem to be the base here, though I could be wrong about that. It's a little sweet. Light citrus lemon adds more sweetness and very refreshing flavor. Spicy hops seem to grow bolder toward the end and on the finish. Very nice turn it took there. If there's alcohol here, that'd be news to me. Even though it's low at 5.6%, there's not a hint in the flavor. I waffled a little on the flavor score initially, but it really is that good and deserves the nod.

It features a medium body that's nice and smooth. Carbonation is medium range and pretty well restrained. It's close to crisp, but it doesn't negate any smoothness at all. Drinkability is damn good. I'm loving the flavor, the abv is low, and it goes down smooth and way too easy.

I expected Scratch 17 to be impressive, but not to this degree. Frankly, Tröegs has just about blown me away with this one. Generally speaking, German Pilsners do not hit home with me like this one has. The only thing that could improve it a little is a stronger nose. That's a small complaint. It has absolutely no impact on the excellence that is the flavor of this Scratch release. Damn, this is good stuff. There aren't many German Pilsners out there that command an overt effort to find. This is one that's well worth the effort. Find a bottle (or a few) if you can.

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Photo of gford217
4.25/5  rDev +4.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle courtesy of sholland119 poured into a pilsener glass.

Pours a slightly hazy golden yellow with tons of bubbles streaming to the top and hedding a smallish white head that hangs on as a cap and leaves spotty lacing.

The aroma is a little sweet for the style with a bit of honey sweetness on top of the toasted grains with hints of lemon and plenty of bready dough in the nose. Hints of light fruit sweetness in there too.

The taste has a little bit more lemon up front and has a definite toasted malt presence for the back but with some honey sweetness.

Mouthfeel is very creamy and smoother than most pilseners with soft carbonation.

Another solid pilsener from PA and one of the best I've had in the style recently. Highly recommended.

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Photo of Deuane
4.4/5  rDev +7.8%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 5

A-Slightly hazed golden yellow with a medium bright white head that reduced to a thin cap and left nice lace.

S-Sharp floral hops up front with a bit of pine spiciness in the background. Nice support from a backing biscuit malt backbone. The malt is present but does not overshadow the hops.

T-Sharp and crisp floral and pine hop bite. Biscuit malt comes in and helps smooth things out and adds support. Very deep flavour profile.

M-Medium-light, very crisp with long lasting hop bitterness.

D-An excellent German pils. This is a very tasty, refreshing and true to style brew showcasing the beer making abilities of the folks at Troeg's!

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Photo of LilBeerDoctor
3.68/5  rDev -9.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Bottle. Pours a slightly hazy golden yellow with a small white head. Aroma of sweet wheat malt and light fruits. Flavor is rather wheaty and doughy with just a touch of fruits (some tropical fruits) in the finish. Nice and dry. Good pilsener for sure.
7/4/7/4/15 (3.7/5)

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Photo of psulovesbeer
4.65/5  rDev +14%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Poured from a bottle to a pint glass.
Slight fizzy head on top of a clear golden beer.
The smell is faint dough with some honey mixed in perhaps a hint of yeast.
Taste comes at you crisp and clear malty sweetness refreshing you with every sip. A hint of fruit..maybe cherry or apricot comes through.
A slight fizz of carbonation hits your palate followed by a sweet and bitter linger; refreshing and wanting of more.
At a fairly moderate ABV and as refreshing as this is you could want nothing but a case of this sitting by you on a hot summer night with some friends.

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Photo of John_M
3.98/5  rDev -2.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

The beer pours a hazy light honey gold color with decent head retention and lacing. I don't get a whole lot on the nose, just some biscuit dough, honey and very light cherry. On the palate there is some prominent, up front sweet honey, which is quickly followed by some drying bitterness on the finish. This is a beer that seemed to really grow on me, the more I drank of it. The beer has an interesting richness about it, with a medium bodied mouthfeel. Drinkability is exceptional and it's nice to come across a 5.6% beer with so much flavor.

Not my favorite scratch beer from Troeg's, but still a pretty nice effort.

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Photo of gpcollen1
4.57/5  rDev +12%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

Thanks to Dyan for the hookup -

Pours very lightly cloudy golden yellow on a soft pour into my Sam Adams glass. I tired to keep the yeast out at first but did not want to miss a drop of this beer. Head gives it a go but cannot muster up anything that may last.

Aroma is mildly sweet with hints of citrus - a bit of black pepper and that bready sweetness again.

Hits my mouth with a twist of carbonation that runs quickly through some delicate sweetness - heads to a lemon peppery rush that brings on the finely tuned hoppy finish, just a touch dry and lingering that makes you want another sip.

This one feels a bit fuller on the mouth than expected - nothing obscene - but medium bodied nonetheless. Quite nice and smooth with about perfect carbonation and lingering flavor. Quite good...

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Photo of Kadonny
4.27/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Poured from a bottle into a standard pint glass.

A: A medium yellow golden color with a nice white fulffy head. Nice full lacing.

S: This is what a pils should smell like. German style hops and a nice malt sweetness.

T: Wonderful grassy, grainy hoppy flavor with hints of lemon and light fruit. A caramel biscuity sweetness comes in the middle and that long lasting hops blast on the finish. Not overly dry as other pils, this has a more substantial malt backbone to it. Very nice and full bodied for a pils.

M: Medium, but full for a pils. Very nice coating mouthfeel with nice lingering hops finish but not overly dry. It actually both dry and sweet, nice.

D: High, keep em coming.

Overall this is a top Scratch offering. The beer is much fuller and has way more body than the Sunshine Pils does, and I like it better because of that. Nicely done again Troegs.

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Photo of HopDerek
4.48/5  rDev +9.8%
look: 4.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 5

A bottle picked up at Capone's since I missed out on getting some at the brewery.

Pours a clear golden yellow with 2 fingers of thick, bright white foamy head. Nice retention leaves great lacing all the way down the glass. Smells of floral hops, lemon, honey, Pils malt, and grass. Tastes of spicy and floral hops up front followed by a bit of citrusy lemon juice. Honey sweetness mixes with some biscuit and Pils malt for a good sweetness. Finishes with light grassy tones for a little bit of bitterness but just enough to pop on your tongue and leave you wanting more. Medium in body with pleasant carbonation. Sweet with a nice bitterness for balance and a great crispness. Extremely easy to drink and quite sessionable. Definitely among my top 3 scratch beers from Troegs.

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Photo of goatgoat
4.42/5  rDev +8.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Thanks DIM for the opportunity.

Pours a perfectly clear gold (if you take care with the lees). A thick frothy white 3 finger head forms. It falls into a thick cap leaving sticky bits of lace.
Aroma is crisp, spicy, a little grassy.
Taste has a very light malt that is quickly overshadowed by a spicy bitterness which lingers. The bitterness just avoids being harsh. Crisp and clean lager character.
Very light body with low carbonation. Very dry, crisp finish.

A damn fine beer and a style I'd like to see more of. It's a classic session beer, but more than worthy of the consideration seen for those eXtreme and big beers.

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Photo of RonfromJersey
4.35/5  rDev +6.6%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

Pale gold body, slightly hazy, soft carbonation streams, big oversize golf ball head. Good stretchy lacing.

Tempting aroma of grass and hay with a bit of biscuit.

Firm malt backbone down the center of the tongue leads straight through the taste buds and on to the belly. Nice bitter bite at the swallow. Clean finish.

Nice firm mouthfeel rides the tongue, does not slop over everything. Easy drinkability, the glass is empty before you know it.

Another tasty recipe from the Troegs brother's scratch pad. Give it a try, if you can.

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Photo of younger35
4.1/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

Received this brew from the ever generous BeerTruth. I give him a lot of shit but he's really hooked me up with a lot of great beers over the years. What a perfect night to drink some brews. The ACC, Big East and Big Ten tournaments going on right now. Drank from my Surly nonic pint glass.

Appearance- Pours a very light yellow that is slightly hazy with a nice enough one fingered bright white head. Once the head recedes it leaves a spotty cap and thin collar with very little lacing.
Smell- Sort of doughy and raw with a nice slight yeasty tone. Some freshly cut grass and dandelion greens adds that sort of earthy German hop tone. You can smell that this brew is going to be crisp and clean.
Taste- Starts slightly citric with a sort of lemongrass like zest. A bit of grassiness and a light floral sensation add a speck of earthy bitterness that is nice and light. It's just a touch stronger than the grainy malt that adds a nice soft breadiness for the hops to stand on. There is a slight astringency that accompanies a very light mineral like quality. Finishes with a lingering sort of floral bitterness that is light and pleasant.
Mouthfeel- Crisp and clean with some good body and fairly sharp carbonation.
Drinkability- Overall this is a pretty darned tasty Pils. Of the German Pilsners that I've had, I think this one has a touch more citrus but its damned close. Very drinkable, very sessionable and very enjoyable. Thanks again Adam!

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Photo of JohnGalt1
4.27/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.5

12 oz received as a plethora of extras from my most favorite trader DIM .. thanks Dan... poured into my shaped SA glass..

1" head took shape and died back pretty quickly.. descent vertical lace stripes.. the brew is a crystal clear gold.

Pale malts with a fresh spicy/floral hoppiness to it .. very clean.

Flavor is also very clean and honestly tastes like it came across the Atlantic.. Crisp bready pale malts and a punchy bitterness.. hop flavors are low (I was expecting an American take on the style.. but get a nice honest German attempt).. the hops that are there have a "green" sorta grassy/herbal quality.. mouthfeel is again very surprising.. tastes like it made the trip.. lite/medium with sorta high carbonation.. finish is dry and very crisp.. has a mild minerally component..

Good stuff.. actually very good.. this tastes sooo fresh.. much better than the German brews that took a few months to get here.. If brewed continually and marketed right, I could see this brew taking a nice stake in the macro crowd.. it would probably be expensive at first, but .. it would sell... well.

Thanks to probably my most favorite trader.... Dan... You're awesome.. DON'T QUIT!!! I need a solid connection in my home state.


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