Scratch Beer 24 - 2009 (a.k.a. Van De Hoorn) | Tröegs Brewing Company

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Scratch Beer 24 - 2009 (a.k.a. Van De Hoorn)Scratch Beer 24 - 2009 (a.k.a. Van De Hoorn)

Brewed by:
Tröegs Brewing Company
Pennsylvania, United States

Style: Belgian Dark Ale

Alcohol by volume (ABV): 7.80%

Availability: Limited (brewed once)

Notes / Commercial Description:
They took a batch of Troegenator wort and fermented it with a peppery yeast (one of the two yeast strains in Mad Elf) to create a more complex, spicier Troegenator. At a bold 9% abv, this beer is "liquid bread" for sure, and maybe a Christmas cookie as well.

Added by akorsak on 10-26-2009

This beer is retired; no longer brewed.

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Ratings: 33 |  Reviews: 30
Reviews by BeerTruth:
Photo of BeerTruth
3.47/5  rDev -9.2%
look: 3 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

number1bum supplied this one for me, thanks skank!

Well I had a full review for this, but low and behold the BA servers decided to blow ass again while posting so I lost the whole thing. Here's my short and sweet rating...

Looks flat, no head, no lacing...teh suck.
Smells like yeast, honey, and caramel.
Tastes like molasses, dates, and more yeast.
Mouthfeel is medium, smooth, and low carbonation.
Drinkability, average...

Scratch 24 complexity and hopefully Tröegs forgets about this one...but that's what the Scratch series is for. Let's get back on track fellas.

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Photo of nickd717
3.97/5  rDev +3.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle via trade thanks to dashirey, labeled as Scratch 24.

Pours a medium reddish-amber color with a small off-white head.

Aroma is fruity with apple and cherry as well as caramel and Belgian yeast.

Flavor is slightly Belgian and only a little sweet with caramel, candy apple, and cherry notes.

Good palate, medium-bodied with average-plus carbonation.

A well-done American Belgian dubbel. Enjoyed this one.

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Photo of akorsak
4.1/5  rDev +7.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A 12 oz bottle from a six pack picked up at the brewery yesterday. Van de Hoorn, a beer that came out before I was a Tröegs afficionado. Thanks to the Scratch series for bringing it out of retirement.

A: The dark ale is crimson/copper ale that is, well, dark. Deep red hues, like those of a blood orange, leave the ale opaque. A small head, less than half a finger, was quick to dissapate.

S: The nose has a marked similiarity to both Mad Elf and Naked Elf. Faint cherry and candi sugar aromas create a sweet presence. Caramel malts are there but not as assertive as you'd expect for Troegenator with a Belgian yeast strain.

T: The malts stand out, a toasted caramel body that definitely hints at a doppelbock. The malts are thick and bready, a mouthfull that pairs nicely with the yeast. Sweet sugars and dark fruit, including cherry, are abundant and leave a dry finish. Cherry is prominent in the finish, as is a hoppy bite.

M: The mouthfeel has the big maltiness of the Troegenator and the sweet fruitiness of Mad Elf. A combination that works. Good to see another variant on Troegenator (see also Dreamenator).

D: The booze isn't evident but you can feel it after 75% of the bottle. A warming ale that maxes out the malt side.

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Photo of Dodo2step
4.08/5  rDev +6.8%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

P- Troegs Brewery

A-dark blood red in color with a foamy head at first but it fizzles away pretty quickly. Quite clear and lightly carbonated.

S- pounding in the nose with cherry and grain. In the background i get some roasted malt.

T- i get the cherry at the forefront but then it changes on the back end to a toffee like flavor. Maybe some toasted toffee malt? Grain is also in the mix.

M- quite boozy in the mouth, it lingers around. If i were to try the fire on a stick trick it would be simple with the amount of booze i feel in the mouth. Dry yet smooth though as well.

D- this is a tasty beer and it is well done by troegs. I could drink 3 or 4 but i would be on my ass after an hour or two. Good beer but heavy.

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Photo of mikesgroove
4.12/5  rDev +7.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.5

another new one for me tonight from troegs. jumping back into the series again we take a hit on the belgian side of things, served into a goblet and consumed on 10/22/2010.

really a nice pour but for a belgian dark it was by far too light. nearly amber in color with a light head that reached up to an inch at its zenith.

as it warms nice notes of dark fruit, hints of light grain and a touch of some light notes of raisins and touches of complex yeast dot the profile. again it was really nicely done. some ligh spice, plum notes and light herbals coming through now along with a touch of pears. raisins and a touch of bittering hops are in the profile giving it a touch of a dry effect.

overall not at all what i was expecting but it turned out really, really well. i would have no issue in doing this one again.

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Photo of RedBrewer83
3.79/5  rDev -0.8%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

Aggressive pour into tulip...

A: Pours a dark murky brown with hints of ruby and a one finger head that fades very quickly to a thin ring around the edge of the glass. Decent lacing, but nothing standout.

S: Candied malt, brown sugar, sour cherry, bready malt, slightly floral.

T: Sour cherry comes right out front to lead the profile followed by the candied malt mixed with hints of brown sugar and clove. Faint banana in there as well along with the bready malt make up the mid-palate and the floral hops finish things up. Pretty well balanced.

M: Light medium body with smooth carbonation and a fairly dry finish for the style and abv.

D: Very drinkable for the style and abv. Overall a nice beer, but nothing great or standout about it.

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Photo of BigPapiBrewingCo
3.92/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

poured from 12 oz bottle in duvel goblet. my understanding is this in troegnator with mad elf yeast.
Pours amber red clear with very little carbonation but not flat.
Nose of sweet maltdark fruits
Taste sweet caramel malt, dark candi sugar, cherry mildly spicy, with peppery yeast.
this went down pretty smooth reminds me troegnator more the mad elf. would have rated it higher if had more carbonation.

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Photo of Thorpe429
4.02/5  rDev +5.2%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Reviewed from notes.

Pours a nice dark amber color with a white head and a bit of lacing as it goes down my glass. The nose brings caramel, dark fruits, cherries, and a bit of Belgian spice. Nice intricate nose, and definitely an improvement on the regular Troegenator. The taste focuses on some sweet malt and the Belgian yeast, bringing some really nice flavor combinations forward. Good body with nice spice. A good and interesting brew, but a bit much in the end.

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Photo of garbercury
3.35/5  rDev -12.3%
look: 3 | smell: 3 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to boralyl for the generous extra!!!

Excited to try this one and have to admit it came out flat, in more way than one...

A--Zilch on the carbonation and therefore, lacing.

S--very limited, faint smell of cherry/figs


D--gotta admit this one came up very short. Not sure if it was a bad bottle but in general, would not recommend this beer.

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Photo of womencantsail
2.96/5  rDev -22.5%
look: 4 | smell: 3 | taste: 3 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.5

Thanks for this one, Mike.

A: The beer pours amber in color with a small off-white head.

S: A very fruity aroma to this. A bit of grape and cherry, perhaps some plums. Maybe a little bit of metal and lemon. Bready malt and a bit of caramel sweetness.

T: Sweet caramel malts with a definite tart fruit character. Some peaches, plums, grapes, and cherries with a bit of a lemon character. A bit too much of a fruit juice thing going on.

M: Light bodied with low to medium carbonation.

O: This is another one that is beyond its prime, probably not surprisingly.

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Photo of brandoman63
4.5/5  rDev +17.8%

Photo of Deuane
3.87/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

A-Deep, dark brownish copper with a medium light tan head that reduces to a thin ring and leaves spotty lace.

S-The dominance of the Troeg's house Belgian yeast is very obvious. Zippy fruitiness with a healthy dose of spice. Rich, lightly sweet, caramel malt underneath.

T-Fruit bowl up front with underlying spiciness. Supportive malt base adds some sweetness. Touch of earthy hops in the finish.

M-Medium bodied rich and smooth. Leaves good lingering spiciness and ending bitterness.

D-Certainly good but doesn't light my fire. Somewhat one dimensional to me. Smell is very much like Mad Elf, well it should, it's the same yeast. Actually taste wise it does too....just less sweet and juicy.

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Photo of stakem
3.67/5  rDev -3.9%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured into a pint glass, this brew appears a hazed color caught between amber and brown. A finger of yellowish tan head forms across the top supported by rising bubbles of carbonation. As the cap slowly fades patches of lace maintain across the top and stick with spots along the wall of the glass. A light swirl hardly brings a few extra bubbles back to the surface.

The smell of this brew is sweet with a mixture of caramel malt, toffee, vanilla and a vinous quality. There is a little bit of an herbal hop element present throughout. A light spiced yeast aspect runs across the back almost like cinnamon. There is hardly an indication of alcohol present in this brew's aroma.

The taste hits with a strong vinous quality much more bold than the aroma led on. Seemingly all of the sweet malty character that was present in the aroma has vanished from the taste of the brew and transformed into more of a tangy alcohol character. There is a minor herbal hop element present that is fairly enjoyable mixed with the vinous touch. As the brew comes up to temperature, it gets increasingly more vinous and flavorful with grape notes. The alcohol is fairly evident for 7.8% with a solid warmth down the back of the throat. Once warm, the brew lingers inside the mouth with faint notes of toffee, raisins and bready grain character that I was anticipating more of this brew's main profile to contain.

This is a medium bodied brew with a moderate level of carbonation. Quite an interesting experience across the board. It is an interesting take on Troegenator. I remember having this when it was released on draft and this has transformed into an interesting creation throughout the 2 years it has been resting in the bottle. Not bad by any means but I think I enjoyed it more when it was fresh. Still worth a try if you get the chance.

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Photo of number1bum
3.84/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Many thanks go out to krisandajt for this and a bunch of other Troegs brews that I hadn't been able to get my hands on (including 2 splinters). You are a very good man, my friend.

Pours a reddish deep brown color, like dark caramel with ruby hues. Not much head though, even with a vigorous pour; produces only a thin head and then quickly vanishes. Only a rimjob left.

Smells of sweet caramel and dark fruits. This reminds me a lot of Mad Elf actually, with the dark fruit and Belgian influence. I get some cherries and raisins in addition to that caramel.

Taste is even more of a marriage between Troegenator and Mad Elf than the smell. Nice dark caramel sweetness from the Troegenator, and then some of the dark fruits and Belgian yeast from the Mad Elf. A buttery quality to this beer as well. It's a little sweet, but has good flavor.

Mouthfeel is quite creamy and smooth. The beer is on the sweet side but there is no stickiness to the beer. Medium-full body.

This is an interesting beer although I like the regular Troegenator better. The Mad Elf influences are interesting but I'm not a huge fan of fresh Mad Elf. Maybe resting this in the cellar for a couple years would do the same for this beer that it does for the Elf. A good beer and an interesting one for sure, although it's just not my cup of tea really.

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Photo of thain709
4/5  rDev +4.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

A - A medium copper body with ruby highlights...a white head sits about two fingers and retains for a little...some lacing is left

S - The aromas are similar to Mad Elf since it's the same yeast...dark fruits really stand out along with the yeast/bready malt aromas...there is also a sweetness provided by the malts

T - The sweetness of this beer is very subtle as there are a lot of qualities going into this beer...the bready malts hit your tongue first and they have the biscuit flavor to them...the yeast is also present here...the dark fruits come in to provide and appropriate flavor for the style...some caramel malts shine through and mix very well...there is almost an earthy feel to this beer at the end

M - Medium bodied...smooth and out for that warming alcohol kick

D - This was a very nice beer to try...I like the idea of mixing two of their beers (Mad Elf and Trogenator)...there are qualities of both beers that really stand out and make this one worth trying

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Photo of brentk56
3.94/5  rDev +3.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5

Appearance: Pours a clear garnet color with a very modest head that disappears in less than a minute; if the color weren't so pretty the score would be lower

Smell: Caramel, figs, sweet cherries, clove and overripe bananas; lots of interesting esters from the Mad Elf yeast strain

Taste: Complex blend of the caramel and fruits from the aroma, with the caramel, figs and bananas promininent up front, followed by the sweet cherry and clove flavors; after the swallow, there is a nice rustic depth of flavor, though the finish is rather sweet

Mouthfeel: Medium to full body with very low carbonation

Drinkability: The low carbonation is a bit of a problem here but the flavor profile is rather enjoyable

Thanks, bjspicer, for the opportunity

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Photo of Onenote81
3.55/5  rDev -7.1%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Thanks to bjspicer for this beer!

12oz bottle poured into a snifter. Pours a thick, cloudy dark mahogany/amber. The thinnest of heads appears and disappears within seconds. No lace. The nose carries in it notes of alcohol, pale fruits, and molasses. Pretty tamed down though. I imagine this popped more in scent when fresh.

Great full-body full of warmth and depth. Carbonation level has stayed fairly consistent over time. Flavors of sweet apples, pear, syrupy pancakes, and a twinge of warming alcohol on the back end. This is quite an easy sipper on this cold drizzly afternoon. Thanks, Brian.

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Photo of Slatetank
3.95/5  rDev +3.4%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

thanks to tenderbranson69 for sharing this with me, poured chilled into a mug.

A - A deep copper w/ translucent clarity and basically pale tan head which dissipates rapidly

S - the aroma is of very rich caramel and toasted malts w/ bready notes much like Troegenator. The scent has an overripe banana odor w/ subtle spice and candied nut scents

M - A moderately full feel w/ creamy sweet and fruity feel. There is moderately low carbonation for the style w/ a slightly dry and malty finish w/ mild alcohol impact and spiced tinge

T - The taste is malty w/ flavors of caramel and fruit notes w/ lots of banana and cream. There is a flavor of dried fruit like raisin, fig and date w/ mild toast and stone fruit tinges. The piney hop flavor is noticeable in the finish w/ spiced cake flavors as the belgian yeast gives a subtle tropical fruit flavor. The alcohol is only notes slightly when closer to cellar temp under the malt sweetness

D - An excellent strong ale w/ plenty of malt like a bock and belgian meeting somewhere in the middle-very complex. The flavors of yeast and malt are complex w/ layers of flavor and strength that is deceptive. The special b is not overtly noticeable, but the beer is filling while very tasty.

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Photo of mikereaser
3.84/5  rDev +0.5%
look: 3 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

Poured from a 12 oz. bottle on 11/30/09

A - pours a deep mahogany with very little foam

S - brown sugar, sweet malt, cherries or dark fruit, very complex aromas

T - dark fruit, some fig, hints of citrus and brown sugar

M - crisp, well carbonated, smooth & creamy

D - good flavor, easy to drink but you can tell this one will hit you hard after a few

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Photo of tpd975
3.03/5  rDev -20.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3

bottle from jcwattsrugger.

A: Pours an deep amber with a nice tall tan colored head. Real nice retention with some nice sheets of lace.

S: Aromas of Belgian yeast, (bubblegum and bananas) and light sweet fruit.

T: Very Belgian, lots of yeast with hints of bread. There is a strange off flavor going on here. Not sure if it has started to turn, but it is a bit off in flavor. Very tinny, metallic with mineral notes.

M: Medium in body, smooth, lingering badness.

D: Not really.

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Photo of ClockworkOrange
3.92/5  rDev +2.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

A 12 ounce bottle thanks to Deuane. Uncapped and poured into my Blue Point shaker glass. 24 appears a clear crimson brown color with barely a finger of quickly fading, light tan foam. Nose and flavors consist of dark fruits, mainly cherries, caramel malt, candi sugar, cherry Luden's drops, mildly spicy, peppery yeast, quite fruity and a bit sweet. Just about medium bodied and slightly lacking in carbonation. A decent and warming ale overall. Thanks again for this one D!

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Photo of mmcnaughton
4/5  rDev +4.7%

Photo of ArrogantB
3.68/5  rDev -3.7%
look: 4 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 4

12oz bottle thanks to ShadesofGray, thanks man! Dark reddish-brown color, decent rocky head. Smells fruity, interesting. The flavor is some cherry, a little belgian style yeast flavors almost like a dubbel, not bad at all and I managed to drink the glass in about 20 minutes so it was pretty drinkable.

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Photo of DIM
3.7/5  rDev -3.1%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.5

a: This was a slightly hazy cherry brown color. It pours with a short lived, foamy off-white head.

s: The yeastiness almost completely trumps the Troegenator, but balance be damned, this smells good. Prickly, earthy cherry aromas dominate with perhaps some roasty, malty d-bock hiding in the corner.

t: I can't find much Troegenator here either, and it doesn't work as well. Starts off with strong, yeasty cherry flavors. This lingers into the finish brings some faint roasty coffee. Clashes a bit at the finish, but this is certainly an interesting beer.

m: Fairly viscous with gentle, foamy carbonation.

d: This was a neat beer that just didn't quite take off. Really glad I tried this tough.

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Photo of koopa
3.87/5  rDev +1.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 4

12oz bottle purchased at Capone's in Norristown PA.

Appearance: Pours an attractive garnet brown with no head or lace.

Smell: Nice flavors going on here...Kandi-sugar, banana, fig, and sweet malt.

Taste: Sweet malt, kandi-sugar, and cherries up front with a pretty boring belgian yeast strain.

Mouthfeel: Undercarbonated.

Drinkability: Goes down easy and no hint of the 7.8% abv.

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Scratch Beer 24 - 2009 (a.k.a. Van De Hoorn) from Tröegs Brewing Company
Beer rating: 3.82 out of 5 with 33 ratings