Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA - Poll #2 - Final Gravity

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What should the target Final Gravity be?

Poll closed May 13, 2016.

  1. 1.008 (with OG of 1.058)

    2 vote(s)
    2.3%

  2. 1.009 (with OG of 1.059)

    1 vote(s)
    1.2%

  3. 1.010 (with OG of 1.060)

    9 vote(s)
    10.5%

  4. 1.011 (with OG of 1.061)

    10 vote(s)
    11.6%

  5. 1.012 (with OG of 1.062)

    40 vote(s)
    46.5%

  6. 1.013 (with OG of 1.063

    5 vote(s)
    5.8%

  7. 1.014 (with OG of 1.064)

    16 vote(s)
    18.6%

  8. 1.015 (with OG of 1.065)

    3 vote(s)
    3.5%

  9. 1.016 (with OG of 1.066)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. 1.017 (with OG of 1.067)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    -> Poll #1 <- determined that the ABV target will be 6.5%.

    This poll will determine the target Final Gravity.

    I suggest thinking about residual sweetness, body, and mouthfeel, even though there is no (group) grain bill context yet, though there may be one in your head.

    Here is the formula I used to determine the potential FG/OG pairs.
    ABV = 131.25 x (OG - FG)
    There are formulae that would give slightly different answers. This is the one I used.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine if there is a central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff(s). It all depends on the data.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    (This is the fourth Averagely Perfect project. If you don't know what these are about, see the genesis of the first one here... http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/ and subsequent polls. Or do a search on Averagely Perfect American IPA, Averagely Perfect American Stout, or Averagely Perfect Saison.)

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    The Averagely Perfect NorthEast IPA Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 6.5%
    OG: TBD (this poll)
    FG: TBD (this poll)
     
    #1 VikeMan, May 11, 2016
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I went with 1.012 based on experiences with this style and specific yeast strains that may or may not be used.
     
    #2 SFACRKnight, May 11, 2016
  3. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I'm a solid vote for 1.012 as well. Seems to be the sweet spot for a target. If you end up at 1.013 it will still be a nice beer. Same if you overshoot and end up a little lower.
     
    #3 Jesse14, May 11, 2016
  4. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    1.012 for me as well, for the same reason. Gives you some wiggle room one way or the other.
     
    #4 Soneast, May 11, 2016
  5. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    1.012 is my vote
     
    #5 GormBrewhouse, May 11, 2016
  6. hara94

    hara94 Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2012 Minnesota

    I went 1.011, only used Conan once and that's where my beer ended
     
    #6 hara94, May 11, 2016
  7. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I just checked my 1318 fermentation and it was down from 1070 to 1022 in one week. That's 69% apparent attenuation, rounded up. I ramped the temp a bit, hoping it wasnt done. It's supposed to be 71% to 75%, which would bring it down to 1.018. Maybe this is useful to people voting?
     
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  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I went 1.059 to 1.011 with my las 1318 batch. That's 78.56% apparent attenuation.
     
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    One comment, from a non-biased non-voter... attenuation is not only a function of yeast strain. Grain bill, mash temperature, and mash length are also significant factors. <back to lurker mode>
     
    #9 VikeMan, May 11, 2016
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  10. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    VikeMan, wouldn't tying the OG to the FG in this poll be suggestive of the grain bill, temperature, mash parameters that we'll be voted on later? For example, a 1.060 beer might or might not finish at 1.010 depending on how those variables are voted on down the road.

    For that reason, I'm less inclined to worry so much about FG, as long as other considerations are made for body/mouthfeel. I'm voting 1.014.
     
    #10 FeDUBBELFIST, May 12, 2016
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes. IMO recipe design involves a lot of tradeoffs you can't get away from. And you have to start somewhere.

    Having said that, recipe design is also often iterative, with previously decided parameters being revisited in light of other parameters chosen later. Thus the possibility of Buyers' Remorse polls.
     
    #11 VikeMan, May 12, 2016
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  12. Naugled

    Naugled Pooh-Bah (1,944) Sep 25, 2007 New York
    Pooh-Bah

    We need a few more votes for 1.013 to make a nice bell curve
     
    #12 Naugled, May 12, 2016
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  13. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    With mine I ended up at 1.012, but I felt it didn't have as much of a "fluffy" mouthfeel that I was targeting. It was more full bodied than I was expecting.
     
    #13 jamescain, May 12, 2016
  14. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Pretty much there already...with the "13" subconscious aversion of most people :slight_smile:
     
    #14 GreenKrusty101, May 12, 2016
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  15. drink1121

    drink1121 Initiate (0) Mar 23, 2009 California

    I just brewed an APA and the fg is 1.015 after starting at 1.057. I wouldnt go less than this on a higher og beer for this style. the mouthfeel needs a slightly higher fg imo.
     
    #15 drink1121, May 12, 2016
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Mean, median, and mode: 1.012. Word.
     
    #16 VikeMan, May 13, 2016
  17. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    #17 wspscott, May 13, 2016
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