Boycotting Is a Slippery Slope

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  1. miguel_loves_beer

    miguel_loves_beer Aspirant (249) Feb 7, 2017

    "Oh, ABI just bought a few small craft breweries, that's terrible."
    "Oh, ABI just bought RateBeer.com, that sucks."
    "Oh, ABI just bought a few more breweries, oh well."
    "Oh, ABI is advertising on Untappd and BeerAdvocate, but I guess that's okay."
    "Oh, ABI just bought a few more breweries, eh, who cares."
    "Oh, ABI just bought BeerAdvocate. Cool."
    "Oh, ABI is making great beer, at a lower price, and it's an extra $2 OFF this week at Harris Teeter. Wait, why did everyone hate ABI so much? This is great!"
    <consumers slip slowly, gently, comfortably into the loving and inevitable arms of the ABI machine>
     
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  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    For the record...
    • The last AB InBev (ABI) ad in the mag was from 10 Barrel in March 2017, and there are no ABI ads in the sales funnel.
    • On May 4th, 2017 we disinvited Wicked Weed from Beer Meets Wood due to their selling out to ABI.
    • Draw and Hold the Line was published in June 2017.
    • Zombie Beer Brands was published in July 2017.
    • Obviously, @Jason and I have issues specifically with ABI. And the root of our issues go way back to when InBev was Interbrew. Basically, we've always considered them to be the Kraken of the beer industry that eventually fucks up everything that it comes into contact with.
    • Thanks to our firewall between content and ads, we'll continue to not pull any punches when constructively criticizing the industry. Even craft, independent, or whatever you want to call it beer as we often do. Even advertisers. And even if it means we risk losing advertising dollars. Because we owe it to our readers to never pander to advertisers.
    And this Beer Smack asked the reader a question:
    No one has really answered the question, and I'm tired of asking ourselves, so let's put it to bed with a definitive answer:

    BeerAdvocate will no longer knowingly accept ad revenue from AB InBev.

    So for those of you who took issue with our accepting ABI ad dollars in the past, sleep well tonight. I know that I will.
     
  3. dlcarst

    dlcarst Zealot (733) Aug 21, 2015 Missouri
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    It's not their acquisitions they ruin, it's the small breweries that lose business. If half a bar's taps are AB, those are taps that could be independent breweries. Eventually, when AB owns even more brands, we could very easily see even more taps/shelf space taken over by AB.

    I agree, which is why I don't respect companies who made their billions selling carbonated piss.

    I commend you for that. But you may have headed down a "slippery slope," after all, there was a Lagunitas ad this month...
     
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  4. LambicPentameter

    LambicPentameter Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2012 Nebraska

    So much for my comment about BA taking a reasonable stance on this.

    Sigh. On with the culture war!
     
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  5. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Tony from Lagunitas isn't a fan of AB InBev either.
     
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  6. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Don't ever recall anyone from BA railing against Lagunitas.
     
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  7. dlcarst

    dlcarst Zealot (733) Aug 21, 2015 Missouri
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    And, even from my non-insider perspective, there are clear, major differences between AB InBev and the "smaller" big boys (Constellation, Heineken etc.). But don't be surprised if you run into some backlash against running any non-independent brewery ads. Then, of course, the slope gets slipperier. What about Founders and breweries that are partially owned by other groups?

    So, I definitely understand BA's tricky position. I'll continue to subscribe even if you have Bud Light ads, as long as the content remains independent.
     
  8. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It's not the end of the world, or a boycott. We've simply decided that we no longer want to do business with them. That's OK, right? Everyone else can do whatever the hell they want.
     
  9. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I'm sure none are , but they like they're money. I can see the painful decision to see shares , the money allows you to operate with financial security.
     
  10. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Founders ran seven full-page ads in our June issue and no one said word.
     
  11. dripa8

    dripa8 Zealot (647) Sep 19, 2014 Kansas

    Sure wasn't a very long slope!
     
  12. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Hmm, if you don't take Ad money from Inbev would this be Miller Coors too? As fast as they're acquiring in a few year you'll be funding your own business. There's others out there who if you show them the money they'll sell, ultimately a career dream might come in the form of cash, and they're still an operating partner , so who's to say that's wrong? They get to do what tgey love and bank, win win for them and us to a large degree. A few years ago Bcbs was a Chicago distro only, now look you can find at least some most everywhere.
     
  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    There was no slope (for us), because we're not boycotting ABI. We're simply not doing business with them.
     
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  14. surfcaster

    surfcaster Initiate (0) Apr 20, 2013 North Carolina
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    This is where I think you overstate the knowledge of the "modern consumer" who thinks they are in touch. Lots of "regular craft drinkers" who feel they "know beer" still missed the Wicked Weed acquisition here in NC. I couldn't believe it until I recently went to Asheville and ran across many folks in causal conversations (and who up there doesn't think they know it all about beer) who were jaunting around and completely unaware of that fact. Sure the locals did.

    I think the users of this site greatly overestimate the general knowledge out there of acquisition, distribution, rules, etc.

    I for one was not crazy about seeing AB ads (or any brewery held by conglomerate) here but I am not going to tell the "the Bros" how to run their business.

    I bet if they suddenly proposed charging 4$/month on this site to be a member after excluding everyone like Lag, Founders, Oskar Blues etc from advertising to maintain all the functionality here that the AB-InBev pissing /moaning would pale in comparison.

    Donate to Wikipedia lately?

    Just saying'
     
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  15. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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  16. BergBeer

    BergBeer Maven (1,417) Aug 21, 2013 California

    Yeah I get what you are saying. However, the main discussion was about ads on this specific site.

    Any user that does more then check a quick beer rating is going to stumble on some ABI hate just out of sheer quantity.

    I'm with you that most of the beer drinking population either doesn't know or care about big beer gobbling up craft brewers. However I was discussing ABI acquisition in the frame work of users who would have their jimmies rustled on this site.
     
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  17. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It's about ads in our print magazine, and there's a difference. The mag relies on ads, whereas the website technically doesn't and includes ads from third parties to help fill remnant (unsold) inventory. The company certainly benefits from web ads, but the bulk of our ad revenue currently comes from the mag.
     
  18. BergBeer

    BergBeer Maven (1,417) Aug 21, 2013 California

    I stand corrected

    Cheers!
     
  19. CheapHysterics

    CheapHysterics Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2009 Pennsylvania

    I try not to give my money to big beer because I don't like the way they do business. But I couldn't care less who big beer gives their money (in the form of ad buys) to. I have so many better things in life to be upset about.
     
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  20. thebeers

    thebeers Grand Pooh-Bah (5,837) Sep 10, 2014 Pennsylvania
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    I don't have a problem without BA taking as revenue from InBev, but the claim that "selectively boycotting" effectively undermines ones own efforts seriously misunderstands how boycotts work.

    Effective boycotts often target one business or cluster of businesses that are particularly vulnerable; then after they change their behavior, go after the next, in the hopes of a cascading effect.

    A boycott is not a personal purchasing preference. It is an organizing tactic.
     
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