Introduction to German Beer

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  1. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    So last night I found an awesome store that stocks a ton of imports from Germany. I’ve never had a German import and I’m looking for some direction. For one, is there any difference in the beer itself such as brewing processes or ingredients? Second, is there any kind of direction I should go in regarding style, or just wing it like I have been with local brews? From what I saw, it doesn’t look like the beers I’ve had so far share a ton in common with the particular offerings I looked at. It might sound silly but is there German import IPA’s, fruit ales, and milk stouts or are those styles not common? And if they are common and I’m just not seeing them at this particular establishment, then are they even worth getting? As in, are they any different from the same styles I get at home? Lots of questions, hoping for some guidance.

    Cheers.
     
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  2. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Wow -- tall task. But my umbrella suggestion, as it would be with wading into any new beer experience(s), start light (body, color, ABV) and work up to the bigger, bolder stuff.

    See if the store has the Weihenstephaner lineup. That's a great intro series. Start with the Original and Pilsner and go from there.

    I'd also suggest looking at the BA style info for further research on what to expect from each style and why they are what they are (and aren't).
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My first suggestion is to read Ron Pattinson's blog:

    http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/2014/10/modern-german-beer-styles_24.html

    Ron participates on BA as @patto1ro so if you have further questions I would recommend you tag him.

    Welcome to the world of German beers!

    Prost!

    P.S. Start reading the Bock tasting thread that is going on this weekend to learn more about Bock type beers.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    One more suggestion: carefully check the dates on those beers. The majority of German brewed beers at my local beer retailers are too old.

    Cheers!
     
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  5. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    Aecht Shlenkerla Helles has a mild Smokey flavor to it. It is one of my most favorite beers ever. The rest of their stuff (marzen, bock, weizen) are awesome too, but much smokier tasting than the helles.
     
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  6. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I'd think Rauchbier could be a jarring initiation into the beers of a region. Might send someone screaming back to Bud Light! :wink:
     
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  7. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Ah you're from Michigan. The German imports are somewhat limited compared to some other parts of the US.

    My advice is to start with styles that are readily available from Germany. Helles, Pils, Kölsch. As
    @JackHorzempa says check those dates. I saw a German beer at a place by me, looked at the date and it was a year past the best by date. Ugh.
     
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  8. Apathetiq

    Apathetiq Pundit (766) Sep 10, 2012 Massachusetts
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  9. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Those styles are not common and may not be imported from Germany at all. You are likely going to have access to a variety of lager styles as well as some wheat beers from Germany.
     
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  10. DCH

    DCH Savant (1,119) Jun 12, 2013 New York

  11. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    I suggest that you make a list/take some pics to see what you have going on there.
     
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  12. jonphisher

    jonphisher Grand Pooh-Bah (3,850) Aug 9, 2015 New Jersey
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    If you are looking for clean, balanced and drinkable beers then you will not be disappointed. As with everything there is a lot of variety so the more exploring you do the better.

    I’m gonna steal a quote @AlcahueteJ posted once that could apply to German beers, well since by in large to me means mostly lager...

    I feel like discovering the wonderful world of lagers is like the red pill and blue pill in the Matrix, with the red pill showing you lagers.

    “This is your last chance. After this there is no turning back. You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up and find yourself standing back in line waiting for the latest New England IPA. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes. Remember, all I'm offering is the truth. Nothing more.”


    Copyright @AlcahueteJ
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, Germany is well known for their lagers. The most popular (most consumed by volume) beer in Germany are Pilsners (a lager).

    But don't forget about the German beer styles that are fermented using ale yeast strains.I am personally a fan of Kolsch, Alt and Hefeweizen beers for example. And there are others.

    Prost!
     
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  14. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    I got my start with Hefeweizen/Weißbier, a popular and common style in Germany and the US. Unlike most German beers, it’s an ale, but it manages to be both light and expressive at the same time. Many breweries like Schneider have adapted the style to use modern American hops to more closely resemble an IPA, while retaining their traditional varieties. Schneider is the gold standard for Weiß, closely followed by Weihenstephaner, Paulaner, and Franziskaner.

    Personally my favorite German style is Dunkel, and a German-adjacent style, Vienna Lager. A good Dunkel is light and crisp like a lager should be, but yet has a rich backbone of dark bread and toffee, and Vienna is similar, with nice nutty qualities. Many American breweries make Vienna Lagers, so it is a familiar style to many American craft beer aficionados.

    Honestly, very rarely do I go for Pilsner or Helles; they’re a great starting point for a newcomer, but I don’t think they’re as interesting as other German styles, partly because they’re so ubiquitous. All the macro beer brands have based their lagers on Helles/Pilsner.
     
  15. BigIronH

    BigIronH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,762) Oct 31, 2019 Michigan
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    I don’t think I’m in danger of that at this point.:grin:
     
  16. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Have you *had* Rauchbier? Talk to me after. :wink:
     
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  17. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    First off, if you've found a store with a good selection of German imports, I'm going to assume that you live in the Detroit area or Grand Rapids area. My experience has been that there aren't many places in Michigan that stock many imports, and when you do find a place there is dust on the bottles. So beware!

    Secondly, if you spill the beans and tell me which store, I might go there for my shopping. Which store will also tell me the proximity where you live, and I hope it is a Grand Rapids place. That puts the store closer to me so that I can shop there, but it also lets me tell you that you have two breweries that are fairly close to you that specialize in brewing German-style beers, and going there to drink the beers fresh is your best choice.

    Cedar Springs Brewing and Territorial Brewing (Battle Creek) both do a very good job brewing beers that are very representative of the various German styles. I'm partial to Territorial because it's one of my home breweries, but I've also been to Cedar Springs to enjoy that brewery too. It has better food choices, but Territorial is pretty good too. (Let me know if you come to Battle Creek and I'll meet up with you. The first one is on me.)

    In the Beer Styles definitions here on BA, read the descriptions of the Bocks, Lagers and Pale Lagers categories, and click on each sub style to check out the most popular beers in each style. Your store may carry many of the imports that are on the list. https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/styles/

    Also check this Google spreadsheet link below that I have been creating in a thread (https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/best-german-style-beer-food-venues-in-the-u-s.632830/) with help of BA members. It might have bars and restaurants close to you where you can have a good German experience, usually with food and beer. I'm hoping that the beer at any of these locations will be reasonably fresh, but there are no guarantees.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vvgzuuhF7JA9Q2TWIIM0WVK-pX2YG7LHR-uGu8NkA5U/edit?usp=sharing

    Prost!

    P.S. I agree with the comments above about being wary of Rauchbiers (Schlenkerla brewery) because the smoky character can be very divisive.
     
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  18. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Once you figure out which brewery you want to explore the next thing is understanding the date codes. Realize that 4 month old beer is a dream that rarely comes true, so you’ll have to be happy with 6 month old beer if not older, sometimes much older. Also look for American brewed beers with classically trained brewers and the results can be amazing, and the beer much fresher.
     
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  19. miwestcoaster

    miwestcoaster Grand Pooh-Bah (3,981) Jan 19, 2013 Michigan
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    My honey hole for German beers in Michigan is in Frankenmuth.

    http://kernssausage.com/

    :beers:
     
  20. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I didn't know they sell beer. I'll check them out the next time when I'm in Frankenmuth.
     
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