Adding new breweries - feedback

Talk Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Sigmund, Oct 2, 2022.

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  1. Sigmund

    Sigmund Grand Pooh-Bah (5,433) Mar 26, 2002 Norway
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    I add new breweries quite frequently, and it is quite annoying that it takes several days for the brewery to appear - all other beer rating websites let new breweries appear immediately. I get no message here when a brewery is approved (meanwhile I've often forgotten which breweries I've added) - could we at least get a message?
     
  2. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I can see how that would be annoying, but if the delay is due to the information being vetting by a moderator, then it might be a very good thing that it's done like that. Other databases seem to have a tremendous amount of bad noise.
     
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  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    What @zid said. The mod team might take some extra time to validate and expand upon the submitted place. It also depends on when it was submitted and mod availability.
    The current system doesn't support sending a message when a place gets approved or denied. We'd basically need to bridge our custom pages with the third-party forum software to make this happen, but we're in the middle of a massive forum upgrade so it's not feasible to scope this work right now.
     
  4. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    @Todd would it be possible to allow the person submitting the new brewery to immediately add a beer/ beers ? That's my main frustration, typically if I'm adding a brewery it's because I was trying to add a beer and the current brewery adding system means I basically never add the beer/ beers that I would have.
     
  5. champ103

    champ103 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,296) Sep 3, 2007 Texas
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    I remember we use to get a message notification when a place was approved, back in the long long ago. Though really, it only takes a day or two. Usually when I submit something it is very quickly added, sometimes the same day, and you can just check the city to see if it is available. If you can't remember what city you were in a few days ago, maybe you have bigger issues :slight_smile:

    Joking aside, the vetting period is great IMO. Also, put as much info as you know about for a place, that will help expedite things.

    Another note, there is a Recently Added section on the Places front page. There is also a Recently Added section on each of the city guides. If the particular city doesn't have its own guide, I can't image it would be hard to look through a page or two to find it (actually I know its not hard).
     
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  6. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    You can't add beers to a brewery if the brewery hasn't been approved yet.
     
  7. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Yeah. We're talking over a decade ago. Before the forum switch in early 2012.
     
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  8. slander

    slander Pooh-Bah (2,568) Nov 5, 2001 New York
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    I've been a beerfly guide > global beerfly guide > site editor > moderator for like 18 years now, and I can tell you that the approval of new establishments (breweries, bars, stores, et al) is an involved process.

    First off, there are users new and seasoned who don't 'search' well or at all and think they're the first person to have discovered Monks Cafe, Spuyten Duyvil, The Publick House, Hopleaf, Novare Res, Blind Tiger, Toronado, Churchkey, The Map Room, Brick Store Pub, etc. and look to add them in, so each and every establishment being added in has to get a 'does the establishment already exist?' once over. The amount of 'this establishment already exists in the database' beermails I've sent is staggering.

    But mostly, it's people half-assing or quarter-assing (that's when you half-ass a half-assing) the 'Add a place' form.

    I've seen where people put their own name on the name line istead of the establishment name.
    I've seen where people write '359 Metropolitan' on the address line (Metropoltan what? Street, Avenue, Road, Circle, Way, Drive, Court, Boulevard, Highway, Goat Trail, what?!?!)
    I've seen where people round up to the nearest big(ger) town/city on the city line.
    I've seen the absence of a whoooooole lot of easily google-able phone numbers and zip codes.
    I've seen junk websites or links to other or similar businesses but not the one you're setting up ('Four Seasons Total Landscaping' style).
    And then not tagging the establishment for what it is/does under 'place type' is a pretty big time crunch. I mean, you tagged it as a brewery, and then we do our due dilligence by hunting around on their website and see their food menu (has a kitchen/serves food) and pics of growlers/crowlers (sells beer to go). Sometimes oftimes, the website sucks and we're now scrolling their facebook page or instagram to try and figure out what the place is about, because you, the person who's been there, is not sharing.

    Establishments moving to a new address or opening seconday locations is no easy treat either.

    Shit ain't easy, that's all I'm saying. Please be patient with us.
     
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  9. Resistance88

    Resistance88 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,462) Apr 9, 2015 California
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    just curious .......are there any brewries on a Goat Trail?
     
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  10. BMBCLT

    BMBCLT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,427) May 9, 2014 South Carolina
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    Amen!

    /end thread.

    This can get locked down now! :sunglasses:

    I also would like to add. I don't know how many times I've seen beer names spelled wrong. Or beers being added under incorrect styles. I just keep doing my part, every time I see something.

    Cheers and thanks to @Todd and all the mods and other volunteers!
     
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  11. imscotty

    imscotty Pundit (898) Mar 23, 2007 Massachusetts

    How do you request a new brewery be added. Send a message to Todd, or is there a forum thread for this?
     
  12. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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  13. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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