Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #12 - Last Fermentables

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Mar 22, 2017.

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Choose the last 0, 1, or 2 fermentables to join the grain bill.

Poll closed Mar 24, 2017.

  1. Invert Sugar #2

    21 vote(s)
    50.0%

  2. Munich Malt "Type II" (~9L)

    2 vote(s)
    4.8%

  3. Invert Sugar #2 and Munich Malt "Type II" (~9L)

    2 vote(s)
    4.8%

  4. None of these.

    17 vote(s)
    40.5%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #11<- determined that Vienna Malt will not advance to final fermentables combo poll.

    This poll will decide what combination of Munich Malt "Type II" (~9L) and/or Invert Sugar #2 (if any) will join Maris Otter, English Crystal Malt (~55L), and English Dark Crystal (~80L) in the grain bill.

    The choices are unique. Straight plurality wins this one. If your first choice is doing badly, consider jumping to your second choice if you find it more palatable than the current leader.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the ABV and Final Gravity (and thus the attenuation) already selected, malts already selected, as well as any possible yeast strain selection that might be knocking about within your grey matter.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    For those looking ahead, the next poll will begin the process of selecting a yeast strain, before we return to the grain bill to determine the proportions for each fermentable.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012 (77.4% Apparent Attenuation)
    Grain Bill:
    ---Maris Otter
    ---English Crystal Malt (~55L)
    ---English Dark Crystal (~80L)
    ---Invert Sugar #2 possibly in (this poll)
    ---Munich Malt "Type II" (~9L) possibly in (this poll)
     
    #1 VikeMan, Mar 22, 2017
  2. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    First!
     
    #2 jbakajust1, Mar 22, 2017
  3. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    woo hoo, now we're on target. :slight_smile:
     
    #3 Soneast, Mar 22, 2017
  4. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Went with what I wanted from the git go with this.

    "none of these"
     
    #4 Granitebeard, Mar 23, 2017
  5. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Voted Sugar because it used to be used in ESBs and I've never used anything but white and Belgian so far. I'd be okay with None too. There Shall Be No Munich.
     
    #5 crcostel, Mar 23, 2017
  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I voted for Munich just to hear the peanut gallery bitch some more.
     
    #6 SFACRKnight, Mar 23, 2017
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  7. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Here are a couple alternative grain bills to consider - one with invert sugar, one with just C55/C80


    Sugar
    8.125lb Maris (86.4%)
    7.5oz C55 (5%)
    5.5oz C80 (3.7%)
    7.5oz Invert 2 (5%)

    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012
    ABV 5.41%
    SRM: 10.86

    No Sugar
    8.625lb Maris (90.2%)
    7.5oz C55 (5%)
    7.5oz C80 (5%)

    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012
    ABV 5.41%
    SRM: 10.76

    As you can see very similar. The Sugar-free version has more Crystal but also a higher percentage of Maris.
     
    #7 crcostel, Mar 23, 2017
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  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I think a little bit (~5%) of Invert #2 would be good in an ESB.
     
    #8 wspscott, Mar 23, 2017
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  9. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    Sacrilege!
     
    #9 Soneast, Mar 23, 2017
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    It apparently worked! :slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
    #10 JackHorzempa, Mar 23, 2017
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  11. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Sugar please, I'd go for between 5% to 10% or so of it and to use it as priming if needed and maybe 5% of the crystal
     
    #11 Hanglow, Mar 23, 2017
  12. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    We could certainly go that way. My understanding was the Invert No2 has an SRM of 30-35 which translates to about 27L. In that scenario I'd rather have more C80 and less C55 because I think we should end up a bit darker than the 9.8 predicted.
     
    #12 crcostel, Mar 23, 2017
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  13. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    I was being facetious. I suppose I should have put a sarcastic smiley in my post.
     
    #13 Soneast, Mar 23, 2017
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup. :wink:

    Cheers!
     
    #14 JackHorzempa, Mar 23, 2017
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  15. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Facetious or not I'll take it.
     
    #15 SFACRKnight, Mar 23, 2017
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  16. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Twin #2 was sick last night so I got 2 hrs of sleep. I'll take all the smiles I can get.
     
    #16 crcostel, Mar 23, 2017
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  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Invert Sugar #2 is in.
     
    #17 VikeMan, Mar 24, 2017
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  18. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    #18 wspscott, Mar 25, 2017
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