Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #25 - IBUs

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Apr 15, 2017.

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What should the IBU target be?

Poll closed Apr 17, 2017.

  1. 30 or less

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%

  2. 32

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  3. 34

    5 vote(s)
    17.2%

  4. 36

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%

  5. 38

    4 vote(s)
    13.8%

  6. 40

    7 vote(s)
    24.1%

  7. 42

    5 vote(s)
    17.2%

  8. 44

    2 vote(s)
    6.9%

  9. 46

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. 48 or more

    1 vote(s)
    3.4%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #24 <- determined the timing of the hop additions. This poll will determine the IBU target. Note: The bittering model will be Tinseth, and the flameout/hopstand/whirlpool addition will count in the IBU calculation. (I'll use BrewCipher's modified Tinseth model.) But because everyone has different capabilities/systems for performing hop stands and whirlpools, we'll model that addition as if it will be at 170F, for 15 minutes, which should be a decent middle of the road compromise for calculation purposes. (This is for calculation purposes only...the recipe won't actually specify the temp or length.) So keep this in mind while voting.

    I recommend you think about the IBU levels in terms of the bitterness of outstanding ESBs you may have tasted. If you haven't had any, I recommend paying attention to the discussion. If you want less than 30 IBUs or more than 48, write it in.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently. Lobbying for votes and intelligent discussion of each choice's relative merits is encouraged.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: 1.053
    FG: 1.012 (77.4% Apparent Attenuation)
    IBUs: TBD (this poll)

    Grain Bill:
    ---Maris Otter (89%)
    ---English Crystal Malt (~55L) (5%)
    ---English Dark Crystal (~80L) (2%)
    ---Invert Sugar #2 (4%)

    Hops:
    60 Minutes: (EKG, Target, and/or Northdown, Qtys TBD)
    10 Minutes: (EKG, Target, and/or Northdown, Qtys TBD)
    Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand: (EKG, Target, and/or Northdown, Qtys TBD)

    Mash Temperature (recommended): 154F
    Mash Length (recommended): 60 minutes
    Yeast Strain: Wyeast 1469
     
    #1 VikeMan, Apr 15, 2017
  2. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    This is not an IPA. The key to an ESB is balance. We went lighter on the crystal. We have to go lighter on the hops.

    Voted 34 but would be happy 30-37.
     
    #2 crcostel, Apr 15, 2017
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  3. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    I had 35 in my head before I saw the choices and went with 34. Based on what we've voted on already, somewhere close to this seems appropriate for good representation of the style.
     
    #3 Mohican88, Apr 16, 2017
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  4. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    I went for 42ibu

    Assuming we get 35 or so from bittering
     
    #4 Hanglow, Apr 16, 2017
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  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I went with 40. I am hoping to get at least 3/4 of this out of a bittering addition. Late addition and whirlpool hops are great, but the bitterness from these additions can't compete for the firmness of 60 minute additions, at least for beers I've made and tasted. I picked 40 because it seemed like the highest level that might be able to draw a critical mass from nearby levels -- I'm looking at you, folks that voted 38 and 42. People like round numbers :wink:
     
    #5 pweis909, Apr 16, 2017
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  6. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    I want to end up around 40, so I voted for 48 to cancel out some of the low votes :slight_smile:
     
    #6 wspscott, Apr 16, 2017
  7. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Switched to 30 to cancel the high votes :wink:
     
    #7 crcostel, Apr 16, 2017
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  8. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    IBU wars in miniature here :grinning:
     
    #8 Hanglow, Apr 16, 2017
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just a word about voting at the extreme ends of the spectrum... depending on the distribution of the rest of the votes, votes on the ends could end up being discarded as outliers, courtesy of John Tukey.
     
    #9 VikeMan, Apr 16, 2017
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  10. Soneast

    Soneast Pooh-Bah (1,751) May 9, 2008 Wisconsin
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    Looks like we're all across the board on this one, heh.
     
    #10 Soneast, Apr 16, 2017
  11. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    10 votes above 37, 10 votes below. Just sayin... seems a reasonable compromise.
     
    #11 crcostel, Apr 16, 2017
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  12. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Damn you and your fancy statistics, now I need to un-outlier my vote :slight_smile:
     
    #12 wspscott, Apr 17, 2017
  13. MyThoughtsExactly

    MyThoughtsExactly Initiate (0) Jun 10, 2015 Virginia

    Can anyone here tell the difference between 36 IBUs and 38 IBUs?

    If not, maybe gradations of 4 would be helpful. For example 34, 38, and 42 for the next ESB IBU poll (if needed).
     
    #13 MyThoughtsExactly, Apr 17, 2017
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  14. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Of course I can't. And everything we decide on will have a margin of error.

    I think the fine gradations are so that @VikeMan can work his statistical magic.
     
    #14 crcostel, Apr 17, 2017
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  15. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
    Pooh-Bah

    Looks like it might be high 30s

    tbf I'm fine with the sweeter ones or the more assertively bitter ones.

    When are we voting on dry lycheeing this then? Or are we going with rhubarb as it is in season?
     
    #15 Hanglow, Apr 17, 2017
  16. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    I don't have @VikeMan 's skills so I used an online calculator to crunch the numbers thus far. I think it'll be 40. A bit too firmly bitter(IMHO) but not way out of bounds.

    And anyway - by the time we go to make this it'll be strawberry season - strawberry rhubarb bitter anyone?
     
    #16 crcostel, Apr 17, 2017
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  17. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Maybe a riff on the black and tan when serving?

    ESB and strawberry smoothy. Will be widely available in Brooklyn next week no doubt, with an artisan, hollowed out rosemary bark straw to enjoy.

    101 BA score guys, chase the dream. You heard it here first and probably last, it's that exclusive.
     
    #17 Hanglow, Apr 17, 2017
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  18. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Mean: 39
    Median and Mode: 40
    Calling this for 40 IBUs.
     
    #18 VikeMan, Apr 17, 2017
  19. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    #19 wspscott, Apr 18, 2017
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