Averagely Perfect ESB - Poll #3 - Final Gravity

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What should the target Final Gravity be?

Poll closed Mar 8, 2017.

  1. 1.008 (with OG of 1.049)

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%

  2. 1.009 (with OG of 1.050)

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%

  3. 1.010 (with OG of 1.051)

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%

  4. 1.011 (with OG of 1.052)

    6 vote(s)
    11.8%

  5. 1.012 (with OG of 1.053)

    18 vote(s)
    35.3%

  6. 1.013 (with OG of 1.054)

    7 vote(s)
    13.7%

  7. 1.014 (with OG of 1.055)

    7 vote(s)
    13.7%

  8. 1.015 (with OG of 1.056)

    2 vote(s)
    3.9%

  9. 1.016 (with OG of 1.057)

    1 vote(s)
    2.0%

  10. 1.017 (with OG of 1.058)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    -> Poll #2 <- determined that the ABV target will be 5.4%.

    This poll will determine the target Final Gravity, as well as the target Original gravity.

    I suggest thinking about residual sweetness, body, and mouthfeel. Even though there is no (group) grain bill context yet, there may be one in your head.

    Here is the formula I used to determine the potential FG/OG pairs.
    ABV = 131.25 x (OG - FG)
    There are formulae that would give slightly different answers. This is the one I used.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine if there is a central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff(s). It all depends on the data.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via beermail. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    The Averagely Perfect ESB Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 5.4%
    OG: TBD (this poll)
    FG: TBD (this poll)
     
    #1 VikeMan, Mar 6, 2017
  2. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    I have been wanting to brew up an english ale using london 3 to see how the clarity is. I think 1.008 would be attainable with this strain.
     
    #2 SFACRKnight, Mar 6, 2017
  3. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    1.013 for me. Looking for just a little sweetness to balance out the hops, but not too full a body. Be perfectly happy with 1.012 also.
     
    #3 crcostel, Mar 6, 2017
  4. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    On this beer I wish @patto1ro would weigh in with a little guidance on historical recipes. I know the color should probably come from sugar, and flaked maize would be common, but I don't have a sense of what the FG would have been historically.
     
    #4 minderbender, Mar 6, 2017
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Many of the Olde Tyme english recipes I've seen call for improbably high FGs (i.e. low attenuation). I think it's because that was the "F"G when racked, but fermentation continued in the cask.

    Note: I'm just commenting on old English recipes, not suggesting any particular choice in the poll.
    Yours Truly,
    Switzerland
     
    #5 VikeMan, Mar 6, 2017
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  6. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    FWIW the 11C Strong Bitter guidelines call for FG of 1.010 to 1.016
     
    #6 crcostel, Mar 6, 2017
  7. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I think 1.013 is a good target. I recently made a beer that was supposed to be an ESB. It finished at 1.009 (started at 1.056), which was (IMHO) way too low. Had the flavors of an ESB but more the character of a Belgian ale than an ESB. Cheers!
     
    #7 utahbeerdude, Mar 6, 2017
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  8. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    I went with 1.015, IMO an ESB should have a bit of body to it. I'd be happy with it a little lower, so consider this vote an attempt to cancel out the really low FGs :slight_smile:
     
    #8 wspscott, Mar 6, 2017
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  9. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I said 1.055 and 1.014 for the same reasons.
     
    #9 dmtaylor, Mar 6, 2017
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  10. patto1ro

    patto1ro Pooh-Bah (2,084) Apr 26, 2004 Netherlands
    Pooh-Bah

    The OG of cask Fullers ESB is 1055.8 and, according to their website, 5.5% ABV, so it must have an FG of 1014.

    Though they used to attenuate a beer of that strength more. This is pre-WWI Fullers Pale Ale of about the right gravity:

    7th Apr 1910 PA
    OG: 1054.0
    FG 1011.1
    ABV: 5.68
    Apparent attenuation: 79.49%
     
    #10 patto1ro, Mar 6, 2017
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  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Changed to 1.011 because fillers says so.
     
    #11 SFACRKnight, Mar 6, 2017
  12. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Voted 1013 because Prime Number
     
    #12 machalel, Mar 7, 2017
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  13. redgorillabreath

    redgorillabreath Zealot (511) Mar 29, 2015 Pennsylvania

    1.012. Assuming that FG but the yeasties actually finished their work, will have plenty to work with for body and flavor.
     
    #13 redgorillabreath, Mar 7, 2017
  14. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    Switched to 1.015 to balance out the extremely low FG people :wink:
     
    #14 crcostel, Mar 7, 2017
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  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Practically the textbook definition of a normal distribution. 1.012 it is.
     
    #15 VikeMan, Mar 8, 2017
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  16. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    #16 wspscott, Mar 8, 2017
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