Averagely Perfect Kölsch - Poll #9 - Wheat Malt Percentage

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, May 3, 2020.

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Select the percentage by weight for Wheat Malt

Poll closed May 5, 2020.
  1. 2%

    8.3%
  2. 4%

    8.3%
  3. 6%

    16.7%
  4. 8%

    4.2%
  5. 10%

    45.8%
  6. 12%

    4.2%
  7. 14%

    4.2%
  8. 16%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 18%

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 20%

    8.3%
  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Poll #8 <- determined that the yeast strain will be Wyeast 2565 Kölsch.

    This poll will determine the percentage of Wheat Malt (thus leaving the rest for German Pilsner Malt) in the grist .

    The percentage being selected here is by weight, not by gravity "points" contribution. Want a percentage not listed? Write it in.

    If you are not a believer in specifying fermentables by percentages (due to non-proportional flavor/color extraction for different grains at various mash efficiencies), the assumed mash efficiency for the grains in the final recipe will be 70%, if that helps.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It depends on the data. Pollster reserves the right to cast a tie-breaking vote (or not) in this poll or any subsequent polls.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the ABV and Final Gravity (and thus the attenuation) already selected, the other grain (% TBD) already selected, and the yeast strain already selected. In other words, build your split for both grains in your head before voting in this poll.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    If you have issues with or suggestions for methodologies used in this project, please send them via PM. The first person to actually read these instructions and mention this in a post will receive an extra vote. Let's keep the threads themselves on topic to the question at hand and not about how you would have asked the question differently.

    Keep in mind that these polls must ask one question at a time, while normal recipe formulation often involves back and forth interplay between decisions and changes to decisions. To a small extent, we have that capability too, in the form of buyer remorse polls.

    The Averagely Perfect Kölsch Recipe so far...

    Target ABV: 4.8%
    OG: 1.045
    FG: 1.008

    Yeast: Wyeast 2565 Kölsch

    Grain Bill:
    German Pilsner Malt (% TBD)
    Wheat Malt (% TBD)
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,905) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    How much wheat do you all think you need? I feel like you won't know it is there at 2% but wonder how much before you will notice, and of course, will I like what it brings?

    In trying to find out whether this was discussed before, I found this thread from several years ago. Sort of interesting to see what many of us said about Kolsch in 2016. It doesn't definitively answer the wheat question, but it did remind me that I used own a cheesehead hat.
     
  3. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (389) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,905) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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  5. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (389) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    At least you have your priorities set.
    Main reason I knew the thread is I was reading it earlier today.
     
  6. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (389) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    I'm guessing that applies only to the poll in which the offer is made and not to subsequent polls, unless reiterated.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Correct. @riptorn gets an extra ballot in this poll.
     
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  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (320) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    10% because anything less wont be noticeable.
     
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  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And that is why I voted 2% (and because 0% wasn't on the poll list).

    Cheers!
     
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  10. riptorn

    riptorn Disciple (389) Apr 26, 2018 North Carolina
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    What is you're looking for from wheat malt?


    What will wheat malt bring that you don't want to notice?
    (0% is available as a write-in.)
     
    #10 riptorn, May 4, 2020
    Last edited: May 4, 2020
  11. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Disciple (393) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Sure it is, but not really, as the place where possible malts might have been thrown out was in the combo poll. Cheers!
     
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  12. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Historically, write-in votes for 0% for an ingredient that was already "in" have been ignored. I'm guessing the pollster would do the same thing if it happened in this poll.

    0% is intentionally not a choice, just like "none of the above" is never a choice in a poll that is choosing a more specific variety of something that has already been more generically selected to advance to a combo poll. As @utahbeerdude said, the combo poll was the place to kill this.
     
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  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Poo-Bah (4,883) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I want to 'notice' 100% Pilsner Malt but that is not going to happen for an Averagely Perfect Kolsch.

    Cheers!
     
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  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Disciple (320) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    @riptorn @JackHorzempa i have never made a kolsh but I have made beers made with wheat and oats that you would swear were 100% pilsner so I’m not particularly worried about the negatives of wheat.
    With wheat in my beers I get a malty flavor that is different than barley. I don’t know if that fits style, maybe I’m wrong.
     
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  15. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,905) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    20% maximizes the difference relative to anything I ever made with the selected yeast.
     
  16. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,957) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    After counting riptorn's vote twice and excluding outliers...

    Mean: 8.3%
    Median: 10%
    Mode: 10%

    Calling this for 10%.
     
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