Averagely Perfect Saison - Poll #11 - Main Base Malt(s)

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Select one or more main Base Malts

Poll closed Jan 21, 2015.

  1. Belgian Pilsner

    35 vote(s)
    63.6%

  2. German Pilsner

    9 vote(s)
    16.4%

  3. Bohemian Pilsner

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%

  4. Floor Malted Bohemian Pilsner

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%

  5. North American Pilsner

    9 vote(s)
    16.4%

  6. North American 2-Row Brewers Malt

    8 vote(s)
    14.5%

  7. North American Pale Ale Malt

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%

  8. British Pale Ale Malt

    1 vote(s)
    1.8%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    The previous poll (#10) determined that Pilsner Malt, 2-Row Brewer's Malt and/or Pale Ale Malt are IN. Unmalted Wheat and/or Rye are potentially in. Rye Malt and/or Wheat Malt are potentially in. Unmalted Oats are potentially in. Munich and/or Vienna malt are potentially in.

    This poll (#11) will determine the main base malt(s) (Pilsner Malt, 2-Row Brewer's Malt and/or Pale Ale Malt).

    This is a straight plurality poll, unless by some miracle more than one choice gets votes from more than 50% of respondents, in which case all choices with votes from more than 50% of respondents are IN. Otherwise, winner take all. Consider jumping ship to a similar choice if your first choice is losing. etc.
    You can select more than one choice. Want something that's not listed? Write it in.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the ABV, Final Gravity, and Yeast Strains already selected.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see these threads for the first two beers we did (and the bazillion ensuing polls and the final recipes...
    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/averagely-perfect-american-stout-poll-1-abv.131209/ )

    Issues with methodology? Take 'em to beermail please.

    The Averagely Perfect Saison so far...

    ABV: 5.7%
    OG: 1.045
    FG: 1.002

    Grain Bill:
    Pilsner Malt, 2-Row Brewer's Malt and/or Pale Ale Malt (TBD, this poll)
    Unmalted Wheat and/or Rye (potentially in, later polls)
    Rye Malt and/or Wheat Malt (potentially in, later polls)
    Unmalted Oats (potentially in, later poll)
    Munich and/or Vienna malt (potentially in, later polls)

    Yeast:
    WLP565/Wyeast 3724, followed by WLP644 in primary, sometime before attenuation is complete (exact timing TBD).
     
    #1 VikeMan, Jan 19, 2015
  2. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    I went with German Pils because I have a 55# sack waiting to be used.

    I hate to break it to you all, but I am going to be out of internet range for the next week (going to the Smokies for a week of backpacking). Try not to miss me and don't make any bad decisions with the next couple of votes :slight_smile:
     
    #2 wspscott, Jan 19, 2015
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  3. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Any of the euros for me
     
    #3 machalel, Jan 19, 2015
  4. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Initiate (0) Feb 6, 2013 Minnesota

    Enjoy!
     
    #4 JohnSnowNW, Jan 19, 2015
  5. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    Belgian Pils for a Belgian beer.
     
    #5 epic1856, Jan 19, 2015
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  6. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah

    German Pils, and Continental Pils will work though as long as its accessible at my LHBS.
     
    #6 OddNotion, Jan 19, 2015
  7. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    I voted Belgian Pils because Belgian. I also voted German Pils because that is what I currently have on hand. Can't see that it would make much difference either way.
     
    #7 utahbeerdude, Jan 19, 2015
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  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    Not a huge difference between Belgian and German IMHO, German is cheaper and easier to get (for me at least). Voted for German.
     
    #8 jbakajust1, Jan 19, 2015
  9. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    A word of warning for those who choose Castle (Belgian malting company) Pilsner malt. Castle Pilsner will have a lower mash efficiency than other Pilsner malts. This was mentioned by Stan Hieronymus during his presentation of Brew like a Monk at the 2014 NHC. I personally experienced this lower mash efficiency in a Belgian Wit I brewed in the spring of 2014. Castle Pilsner is an excellent malt, you just need to use a bit more of it to achieve your target OG vs. other Pilsner malts.

    Cheers!
     
    #9 JackHorzempa, Jan 19, 2015
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  10. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Interesting. I've used Dingemans Belgian Pils malt; it seems to behave about the same as Weyermann Pils. Cheers!
     
    #10 utahbeerdude, Jan 19, 2015
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Yes, Stan was very precise in his talk that this was a Castle Malting 'issue'.

    Cheers!
     
    #11 JackHorzempa, Jan 19, 2015
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  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Belgian. I don't have lots of Brett experience, but my best two have involved Belgian pils. I think I always get Dingeman's, but am not sure, nevertheless, interest tidbit @JackHorzempa
     
    #12 pweis909, Jan 19, 2015
  13. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I often use Castle Belgian Pilsner for Saisons. It has a white grape aroma and flavor that differentiates it from German and American Pilsner. Haven't tried Dingemans.
     
    #13 Brew_Betty, Jan 19, 2015
  14. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    I voted 'Merican...

    Well, because I have a sack of Rahr 2 Row and Pils.. that why!
     
    #14 FATC1TY, Jan 19, 2015
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  15. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Is there really much of a difference between Belgian, German, and US pils malt? Just curious.
     
    #15 Supergenious, Jan 20, 2015
  16. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    Yes.

    Castle Belgian pils = white grape flavor and nag champa incense aroma
    Weyerman German pils = crisp and bready for lack of a better term. Think German lager.
    Breiss American pils = very subdued version of Castle pils.
     
    #16 Brew_Betty, Jan 20, 2015
  17. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    I love me some Bohemian Floor malted Pils... but I don't have any.
     
    #17 FATC1TY, Jan 20, 2015
  18. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    I feel like I can tell the difference between dingeman's and weyemann's pils. I've used rahr pils in a few Belgians and caps, and it is not as flavorful.
     
    #18 pweis909, Jan 20, 2015
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  19. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Looks like Belgian Pilsner.
     
    #19 VikeMan, Jan 21, 2015
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