Averagely Perfect Saison - Poll #19 - Vienna Malt % Runoff

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by VikeMan, Feb 2, 2015.

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Select Portion of Vienna Malt in Grain Bill

Poll closed Feb 4, 2015.
  1. 10%

    50.0%
  2. 20%

    50.0%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,962) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The previous poll (#18) ended in a tie of sorts.

    This poll (#19) will definitively determine the percentage of Vienna Malt in the grist.

    This runoff is a straight plurality poll.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the ABV, Final Gravity, Yeast Strains, and the Belgian Pilsner Base Malt (proportion TBD) and Flaked Wheat (17%) already selected.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see these threads for the first two beers we did (and the bazillion ensuing polls and the final recipes...
    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/averagely-perfect-american-stout-poll-1-abv.131209/ )

    Issues with methodology? Take 'em to beermail please.

    The Averagely Perfect Saison so far...

    ABV: 5.7%
    OG: 1.045
    FG: 1.002

    Grain Bill:
    Belgian Pilsner Malt (% TBD, this poll)
    Flaked Wheat (17%)
    Vienna malt (% TBD, this poll)


    Yeast: WLP565/Wyeast 3724, followed by WLP644 in primary, sometime before attenuation is complete (exact timing TBD).
     
  2. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    Neither, write in vote for 2%.
     
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  3. wspscott

    wspscott Champion (883) May 25, 2006 Kentucky

    20% but still think 17% would be better for symmetry :wink:
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,962) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Sorry, no write-ins in run offs. When they are allowed, I state that in the post.
     
  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Poo-Bah (1,906) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Went with 20% as I think 10% is unlikely to be noticed in the final product. Since the malt has been voted in, it might as well be in a way that impacts that beer. I plugged these potential grists into a calculator. The color of this thing is going to be pale regardless, as Vienna is not a very dark malt (bumping from 10% to 20% translates to ~ 0.1 SRM change). While that doesn't directly address flavor, Vienna is a subtle flavor. Maybe in a lager you might be able to detect the difference between 0 and 10, or 10 and 20% Vienna, but I bet in a brett saison, with its yeast driven flavor, that 10% difference will be hard to find .
     
  6. PortLargo

    PortLargo Devotee (484) Oct 19, 2012 Florida

    Agree, and it's a nice "odd" number which everyone knows works better. We could drive the number to 15% . . . if . . . we tie again (hint, hint for late voters). That would be an odd number, closer to symmetry, and give a spark to the lonely moderator's role.
     
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  7. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Crusader (729) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon

    I went with 20 again. I would also be happy with a tie to 15%, just not 10%.
     
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  8. wspscott

    wspscott Champion (883) May 25, 2006 Kentucky

    It is probably too late to convince anyone, but the 10% is not going to do too much in this beer (I know that is what some people are hoping for). How about a couple (2) people change their votes to engineer a tie and we go with 15% as suggested above :slight_smile:
     
  9. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    C'mon 20%! We only need one person to change their vote and it's a tie :wink:
     
  10. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Initiate (0) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia

    10 percent here
     
  11. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    10%ers, pay no attention to those 20%ers trying to convert you. Enjoy your Pumpkin Peach Ale and leave the macro lovers to their vices.

    //hah!
     
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  12. PortLargo

    PortLargo Devotee (484) Oct 19, 2012 Florida

    We can orchestrate a tie . . . except if there's an odd number of voters. If I see any shills on the voting list that hasn't been actively participating (i.e. symmetry-buster) then will track down the electronic footprint of that dastardly voter :angry: .
     
  13. MrOH

    MrOH Meyvn (1,377) Jul 5, 2010 Maryland

    I went with 20%, because I don't think 10% is going to do diddly. I know this is a bit of a stretch, but think about making a hoppy APA/session IPA/whatever with this grainbill. You'd notice the mouthfeel of the wheat, but would you notice 10% vienna over the hops? Probably not. The yeast in this beer is going to be at least as expressive as a couple of ounces of hops at flame-out and again at dry hop, just in a different manner.
     
  14. wspscott

    wspscott Champion (883) May 25, 2006 Kentucky

    You suck, you were supposed to be the voice of reason :slight_smile:
     
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  15. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    Vote 10% It's for the kids and future generations.

    [​IMG]


    /vote Quimby
     
  16. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    I voted 20 just to tie it up :rolling_eyes:

    IMO I would either like 0% or 100%

    Right now as I type Im drinking a all MO saison with a 1/2# of white sugar in it, and while its dry and the yeasty flavors shine the finish is all MO and its a great twist
     
  17. wspscott

    wspscott Champion (883) May 25, 2006 Kentucky

    It's a tie, close the polls :slight_smile:
     
  18. wspscott

    wspscott Champion (883) May 25, 2006 Kentucky

    What yeast did you use?
     
  19. PortLargo

    PortLargo Devotee (484) Oct 19, 2012 Florida

    Old French brewers's expression for a Double-Tie recipe . . . "veinard batard" . . . me, I'm holding my breath until ! ! !
     
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  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Poo-Bah (1,962) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Tie. 15%.
     
  21. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    This beer is truly becoming average, because that's what keeps winning.
     
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  22. ryane

    ryane Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2007 Washington

    The only really truly good saison yeast.........3724:sunglasses:
     
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