Averagely Perfect Saison - Poll #28 - IBU Target?

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Select an IBU Target (Tinseth formula)

Poll closed Feb 22, 2015.

  1. 18

    6 vote(s)
    12.5%

  2. 20

    7 vote(s)
    14.6%

  3. 22

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  4. 24

    17 vote(s)
    35.4%

  5. 26

    2 vote(s)
    4.2%

  6. 28

    4 vote(s)
    8.3%

  7. 30

    9 vote(s)
    18.8%

  8. 32

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  9. 34

    2 vote(s)
    4.2%

  10. 36

    1 vote(s)
    2.1%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    The previous poll (#27) determined that there will be no spices used.

    This poll (#28) will determine an IBU target, standard Tinseth calculation. If you want a value not listed, write it in.

    When this poll is done, I will look at the data a few different ways to determine the central tendency. It may or may not be as simple as a plurality would indicate. There may or may not be a runoff. It all depends on the data.

    I recommend you think about this in terms of not only your personal preferences, but also in the context of the recipe so far. Design the best beer you can, given what's already been decided. Resist the urge to try to steer the recipe back toward a beer that might be impossible. Also, I strongly suspect many folks have not made a beer quite like this recipe (so far) before, so please discuss the options at length.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see these threads for the first two beers we did (and the bazillion ensuing polls and the final recipes...
    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/averagely-perfect-american-stout-poll-1-abv.131209/ )

    Issues with methodology? Take 'em to beermail please.

    The Averagely Perfect Saison so far...

    Batch Size: 5 Gallons
    ABV: 5.7%
    OG: 1.045
    FG: 1.002
    Mash Recommendation: Single Infusion @ 150F, 60 Minutes, no Mashout
    Assumed Mash Efficiency: 70%
    90 Minute Boil
    IBUs: TBD (this poll)

    Grain Bill:
    Belgian Pilsner Malt (68%)
    Flaked Wheat (17%)
    Vienna malt (15%)

    Yeasts:
    WLP565/Wyeast 3724 at beginning of fermentation
    WLP644, 0.5 Liter Starter Recommended, added to primary when beer/wort reaches gravity of 1.033
     
    #1 VikeMan, Feb 20, 2015
  2. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    30.
     
    #2 ChrisMyhre, Feb 20, 2015
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  3. psnydez86

    psnydez86 Initiate (0) Jan 4, 2012 Pennsylvania

    18 IBU.


    On a beer that is so yeast centric, I feel as if ibus don't matter and should be low. Fermentation will prevail.


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    #3 psnydez86, Feb 20, 2015
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  4. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    I'm hoping this goes in the 20-25 IBU range. You guys gotta remember that with the expected FG of 1.002 it is going to be more bitter than you think so I would keep the IBU at no more than .5 BU:GU.
     
    #4 epic1856, Feb 20, 2015
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  5. OddNotion

    OddNotion Pooh-Bah (1,915) Nov 1, 2009 New Jersey
    Pooh-Bah

    I voted for 20 ibu - want to keep this one low.
     
    #5 OddNotion, Feb 20, 2015
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  6. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    18, for reasons already mentioned. I want to taste yeast flavors, and if it is going to be dry, lower hops should help with balance.
     
    #6 pweis909, Feb 20, 2015
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  7. NiceFly

    NiceFly Initiate (0) Dec 22, 2011 Tajikistan

    18. If there was a lower number I would vote for it.
    I think 10 IBUs are plenty for this lightweight.
    Think hefe.
     
    #7 NiceFly, Feb 20, 2015
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  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    I like my Saisons around .6 BU:GU. To low and the finish is just bland.
     
    #8 jbakajust1, Feb 20, 2015
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  9. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    You're shooting for 27 IBUs, right? Just want to make it clear that you're not advocating anything higher than that in case people don't want to do the math on what .6 BU:GU is in IBU for this recipe.
     
    #9 epic1856, Feb 20, 2015
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  10. sjverla

    sjverla Initiate (0) Dec 1, 2008 Massachusetts

    Changed my vote from 22 to 24 to put it out in the lead more decidedly. I think a little bit of a bite would be nice, but certainly wouldn't go any higher.
     
    #10 sjverla, Feb 20, 2015
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  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    Voted for 30

    It seems obvious, but IBUs are different from lots of hops flavors. We could have 30 IBUs from Magnum added at the beginning of the boil and still taste the yeast. This poll is not asking about hop bursting or anything like that.

    In addition, water profiles (sulfates) are going to matter here as well.
     
    #11 wspscott, Feb 20, 2015
  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    27-30 IBUs would be right around where I would want it on this beer.
     
    #12 jbakajust1, Feb 20, 2015
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Saison DuPont sits around 28 to 30... jus sayin... :rolling_eyes:
     
    #13 SFACRKnight, Feb 20, 2015
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  14. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    It's also nearly a full percentage point higher in ABV than our beer is:wink:
     
    #14 FeDUBBELFIST, Feb 20, 2015
  15. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    Does ABV matter or FG when we are thinking about IBUs?

    DuPont's FG is likely very close to what we are aiming for.
     
    #15 wspscott, Feb 20, 2015
  16. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    It does, but it has to do with perceived bitterness than the actual bitterness. This website explains better than I can;

    http://www.madalchemist.com/relative_bitterness.html
     
    #16 epic1856, Feb 20, 2015
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  17. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    Yeah, but that seems to be arguing that it is attenuation and FG that matters not ABV which was the point I was trying to make to @FeDUBBELFIST
     
    #17 wspscott, Feb 20, 2015
  18. epic1856

    epic1856 Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2006 California

    Early straw poll results are in
    Average: 24.9
    Median: 24
    Mode: 24
     
    #18 epic1856, Feb 21, 2015
  19. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    Looks like im gonna dryhop the hell out of this.
     
    #19 SFACRKnight, Feb 21, 2015
  20. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    I voted 20.. Usually keep it under 25 on my saisons.

    I planned to dryhop as well, depending on what we do for hop varieties.
     
    #20 FATC1TY, Feb 21, 2015
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