Averagely Perfect Saison - Poll #33 - Hop Schedule Times

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Select one or more hop addition timings

Poll closed Mar 3, 2015.

  1. First Wort Hop

    7 vote(s)
    17.5%

  2. 60 min

    30 vote(s)
    75.0%

  3. 45 min

    1 vote(s)
    2.5%

  4. 30 min

    1 vote(s)
    2.5%

  5. 20 min

    6 vote(s)
    15.0%

  6. 10 min

    23 vote(s)
    57.5%

  7. 5 min

    11 vote(s)
    27.5%

  8. Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand

    31 vote(s)
    77.5%

  9. Dry Hop

    9 vote(s)
    22.5%
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  1. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Poll #32 determined that Saaz and/or Hallertau will be the bittering hops as well as flavor/aroma hops. This poll (#33) will determine the timing piece of the hops schedule. All this poll will do is determine the timing of additions, not quantities or specific variety(s) (i.e. combos of Saaz and/or Hallertau). I know some will feel they can't vote on timing without knowing which hops and proportions for each addition. Oh well, we have to start somewhere. Multiple votes are of course allowed for this one. Any timing choice with at least 50% of voters choosing it will be in. Hopefully the options cover enough bases (and then some).

    For those looking ahead, the next polls after this will be to determine the amounts and proportions of hops at each of the selected addition times.

    This poll will be open for 48 hours.

    (For those who don't know what I'm talking about, see these threads for the first two beers we did (and the bazillion ensuing polls and the final recipes...
    http://beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.59552/
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/averagely-perfect-american-stout-poll-1-abv.131209/ )

    Issues with methodology? Take 'em to beermail please.

    The Averagely Perfect Saison so far...

    Batch Size: 5 Gallons
    ABV: 5.7%
    OG: 1.045
    FG: 1.002
    Mash Recommendation: Single Infusion @ 150F, 60 Minutes, no Mashout
    Assumed Mash Efficiency: 70%
    90 Minute Boil
    IBUs: 24

    Grain Bill:
    Belgian Pilsner Malt (68%)
    Flaked Wheat (17%)
    Vienna malt (15%)

    Yeasts:
    WLP565/Wyeast 3724 at beginning of fermentation
    WLP644, 0.5 Liter Starter Recommended, added to primary when beer/wort reaches gravity of 1.033

    Hops (amounts/timing TBD):
    Saaz
    Hallertau
     
    #1 VikeMan, Mar 1, 2015
  2. scurvy311

    scurvy311 Savant (1,135) Dec 3, 2005 Louisiana

    Bittering, flavor, and aroma (60, 10, & 0)
     
    #2 scurvy311, Mar 1, 2015
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  3. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    ^
    What he said :slight_smile:
     
    #3 machalel, Mar 1, 2015
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  4. PortLargo

    PortLargo Pooh-Bah (1,831) Oct 19, 2012 Florida
    Pooh-Bah

    ^
    You are both very close . . . just left out the dh . . .

    60, 5, 0, DH
     
    #4 PortLargo, Mar 1, 2015
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  5. ChrisMyhre

    ChrisMyhre Initiate (0) Sep 15, 2013 Massachusetts

    60, 10, 0, Dry Hop
     
    #5 ChrisMyhre, Mar 2, 2015
  6. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    ^
    ^
    What he said he said.
     
    #6 utahbeerdude, Mar 2, 2015
  7. jmich24

    jmich24 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    60 and Hopstand only. There is already a lot going on in the recipe as it is.
     
    #7 jmich24, Mar 2, 2015
  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
    Pooh-Bah

    60, 10-5-Whirlpool

    Dryhop if you feel frisky, but who knows.

    We've got enough IBU's in there, I'm gonna have trouble souring it off the same batch, but to hell with it.
     
    #8 FATC1TY, Mar 2, 2015
  9. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
    Pooh-Bah

    FWH, 20, WP.
     
    #9 jbakajust1, Mar 2, 2015
  10. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Earlier in the polls I might have agreed with you, but we have really pulled the reigns in on this recipe lately. I mean, where exactly do you see "a lot going on" in this recipe? The grain bill is simple. The hop selections are very traditional. The only aspect that is even *a little* complicated is that we are pitching two yeasts. (And let's not forget that WLP644 is second fiddle here and won't even be pitched until roughly 20% of the fermentation has occurred.) I don't expect it's contribution to be monumental.

    Honestly, I'm kind of glad to see that a more traditional Saison has evolved, but I am also very happy, as I'm looking back at this, that 644 was voted in for the extra layer of complexity.
     
    #10 FeDUBBELFIST, Mar 2, 2015
  11. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
    Pooh-Bah

    FWH because I am lazy and forgetful, 5, 0 and dryhop because I have never dryhopped a saison
     
    #11 wspscott, Mar 2, 2015
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  12. jmich24

    jmich24 Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2010 Michigan

    "a lot going on" was in reference to a dryhop. I prefer to get a hint of hops, while still being yeast driven beer.
     
    #12 jmich24, Mar 2, 2015
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    FWH, 10. That's it. I prefer my saisons to be yeast driven, or hopped with something more interesting than what we got here.
     
    #13 SFACRKnight, Mar 2, 2015
  14. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    OK, I misunderstood then, I thought you meant there was already a lot going on in the recipe...period. I don't want to go overboard on the dryhopping either (looks like dryhopping is out anyway), but I'd still like to pick up a couple IBUs from a healthy whirlpool addition, that's for sure. I don't like my saisons to be overly bitter, but I think hoppy and yeast-focused go well together in this style.
     
    #14 FeDUBBELFIST, Mar 3, 2015
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    Looks like 60 minutes, 10 minutes, and Flameout/Whirlpool/Hopstand.
     
    #15 VikeMan, Mar 4, 2015
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