Beer may be responsible for civilization.

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  1. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    I am sure that it is. Not only because of the history, accurate or not, but also because of the nature of the people who seem to like it the most. I am talking about y'all. When I decided to start tasting beer I found that I felt idle unless I shared my experience. Hence , the connoisseur/reviewer. Then when I decided to start brewing I started thinking what can do with all my leftover ingredients and how can I get the spent grains to farms or to compost piles or into the oven so that I do not waste anything and can I make bread from this stuff? (I did not look up gruel) I also decided to start growing my own herbs because I don't have room for a garden in which to grow my own hops. If I do that I will have lots of herbs to share as well as beer. Last but not least, it is properly civilized to sit at the table at least once each day with your meal, your companions and a beer.

    I think it did.
     
  2. jbertsch

    jbertsch Pooh-Bah (2,874) Dec 14, 2008 Massachusetts
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  3. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    The historical record doesn't disclose which came first, the beer or the bread.

    My own theory is our ancestors were a practical lot who made beer then repurposed the spent grains into baked goods. Whoever first thought of that undoubtedly made a fortune and took early retirement.
     
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  4. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    This is why we can't solve the chicken or the egg question. There are plenty of natural fermentable malts to be found. Honey and milk are other common fermentable malts that could be available to early peoples.

    There's also reason to speculate that many prehistoric hunter-gatherer tribal religions may have relied to some degree on "magical" mind-alternating natural substances, like peyote, coca, mushrooms, or alcohol to connect with their god and experience the supernatural. So, if a tribal religion used alcohol, which was likely a primitive beer, then maintaining a supply of alcohol for religious purposes would have been a powerful incentive to figure out cultivation, which leads to permanent settlements and modern civilization. All unprovable theory, of course, but it makes for some good armchair academia.
     
  5. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    The flip side of that is the ancient Sumerian recipe on the Hymn to Ninkasi that involves putting bread in water to ferment.
     
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  6. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    The original beer to go. The ancients would bake up barley cakes which dried to a preservation state in the hot climate. During stop overs at an oasis cakes were crumbled into water then left for nature to take it's course. Proper prayers were needed as well which I'm sure those thirsty desert dwellers had memorized.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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  9. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    There's a lot more than anecdotal evidence that supports the "magical" nature of a myriad of mind altering substances. Modern practices still seem to follow suit. Somehow I think the "science" of Dreams may remain elusive but is rich territory for trying to understand.
     
  10. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Elan is a great one. Terviseks!
     
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  12. meefmoff

    meefmoff Pooh-Bah (1,922) Jul 6, 2014 Massachusetts
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  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Honey is mostly simple sugars, therefore fermentable, and it is not a malt.
     
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  14. L8YKatie

    L8YKatie Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2017 California

    Wow everyone, thank you for your interaction and comments on this thread. It may take me a bit but I want to reply to everyone. I'm excited to get engaged.
     
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  15. L8YKatie

    L8YKatie Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2017 California

    Exactly GrumpyGas; taking one bite/taste/swig of the mind-altering gruel for our forefathers must've been intriguing. Without knowing what happened to their expected tasty gruel, they had to have sought that mind altering experience again. So, as you stated, hello home brewers
     
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  16. L8YKatie

    L8YKatie Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2017 California

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    L8YKatie Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2017 California

    And that's how we're ultimately connected here cavedave; all of the above.
     
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  18. L8YKatie

    L8YKatie Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2017 California

    Too funny. Yes some folks DO get a bit "back to roots" huh? Nice reply bbtkd
     
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  19. L8YKatie

    L8YKatie Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2017 California

    Great set of points scottakelly ; absolutely no one will ever know for certain what happened as the evidence eroded over time.

    And yes, cultivation and civilization's rise are inextricably linked. There's no debating that. I am by no means a historian but I do like how what evidence can be found is sorted through in an attempt to find answers.

    I am thoroughly pleased with your response here. Thank you.
     
  20. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Of course you are right. Although, I really don't think prehistoric hunter-gatherers or early civilizations cared about our definition of malt.
     
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