BeerAdvocate returns to its roots; part two

Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Jul 14, 2015.

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,578) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    This past December we made some significant changes to bring us back to our roots; thoughtful reviews. This month we dig deeper.

    Reviews Matter
    From the feedback that we continue to gather, it's clear that more reviewing is wanted. And we want users to explain why they're giving their rating, by discussing the characteristics of a beer or place. Not only does this help indicate that a user has legitimately had the beer or visited the place, but the review may very well help others. And that's the point of BeerAdvocate.

    We've determined that most users can properly convey their thoughts about a beer or place in at least 150 characters, which we'll now refer to as a "review." For those who don't, their rating won't be considered when calculating overall scores; BeerAdvocate Overall Score, Bros Score, Place Score, etc.

    Hads & Visits
    We understand the desire to tick, so we're bringing them back and calling them what they are again.
    • Ratings without reviews will be consider "hads" or "visits" (what we currently call beer or place ratings), and not counted towards overall scores.
    • Allows users to continue to easily keep track of the beers they've had, and places they've visited, without any pressure to write a review.
    • Removes the need for our outlier detector (forcing a user to review if their rating is unusually high or low), which confused some.
    Recalculating Stats
    This update is going to shake things up.
    • All beer and place ratings and stats will be recalculated. This will not only impact listings, but many beers and places will end up having no overall score; due to the number of reviews not meeting the minimum of 10 yet.
    • Associated user stats will be recalculated, and we'll start awarding extra Beer Karma for reviews.
    Other Benefits
    • Shifts the focus to quality vs. quantity, by encouraging users to review and revisit previous hads and visits.
    • Helps curb abuse, score inflation/deflation, etc.
    @Jason @Mike and I are aiming to apply the above changes by July 27. We'll have more updates for everyone then.

  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,578) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Moderator Fest Crew

  3. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,578) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Moderator Fest Crew

    API Updates:
    • All counts for user Beer Hads, Reviews and Place Visits, Reviews
    • All Beer and Place stats
    • Top Lists supporting data
    Updated Pages:
    • Beer lists for breweries and styles now shows the # of Reviews (Revs)
    • Beer/Place rating box (desktop) now includes a character counter and helpful text
    • Top Lists now support Reviews only
    • User Beer/Places lists; wording and "R" indicator (150 chars or more)
    • Several sidebar lists updated to show only recent Reviews
    • Some of the Places > City listings are based on # visits, but adjusted to include more listings and encourage more reviewing
    • Character counts now appear after user text
    • Rename current Beer Karma for Ratings to Hads
    • Add Beer Karma awards for Reviews
    stakem, CTbrew32, brentk56 and 8 others like this.
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    Todd Founder (5,578) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Moderator Fest Crew

    Fixed: rDev
    • rDev is now only be displayed if the beer or place has 10 or more reviews
    • Sorting on a user's beer and place lists now orders results properly and drops zero values in the middle of the listing
    rudzud, F2brewers, cavedave and 2 others like this.
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    Todd Founder (5,578) Aug 23, 1996 California
    Staff Moderator Fest Crew

    Update: Beer Karma
    Renamed "Ratings" to support Beer Hads and Place Visits. No change to point values or awarded points.
    jlindros and F2brewers like this.
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