BIAB grain amount

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  1. HelloMyNameIsHuman

    HelloMyNameIsHuman Aspirant (257) Mar 6, 2017 New Hampshire

    I have an all grain recipe that I follow for an NEIPA, I am using the BIAB method and last time I brewed my efficiency was very low . Does anyone have any recommendations on the grain amount, should I stick with the recipe or bump up the grain total to try and help. Last time I brewed I added dry malt extract into the fermenter to try and make up the difference . I made the mistake of not doing a gravity reading before the boil
     
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  2. skleice

    skleice Maven (1,271) Aug 6, 2015 Connecticut

    Do you know what your efficiency actually was? You could plug that into your software and adjust the malts accordingly....then get suggestions on how to boost it.
     
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  3. Arturo2

    Arturo2 Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2019 Oregon

    On a home brew scale I'd just bump up the grain on your next batch. Not gonna cost much.
    See what happens.
    If that doesn't improve it then there's so many things to look into.
    I tried dunk sparging ... adjuncts (to create more space in the bag between malt grains) ... PH'd my water ... longer mash times ... higher water to grain ratio ... higher mash temp ... double crushed grains ... I love to experiment.
    In the end, I just came to the conclusion that I need to add a little more grain to my bag.
    I've been able to stay more consistent that way.
     
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  4. HelloMyNameIsHuman

    HelloMyNameIsHuman Aspirant (257) Mar 6, 2017 New Hampshire

    What do you recommend for software
     
  5. riptorn

    riptorn Pooh-Bah (1,776) Apr 26, 2018 Georgia
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    BrewCipher < < clickable link.
     
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  6. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    My big efficiency thing has been crush. I just got a grain mill so will start playing around, but if I got grain from some places online, I would get really low efficiencies, but my LHBS seems to have been set perfect for my system and I get 80% with theirs.

    Otherwise, get Brewcipher, unless you want to dish out moneys for different software, to see where you actually should be.

    Also for my BIAB-ish method, I use about 1 gallon less water to mash with and they pour the last boiling one gallon of water over the grains in a separate pot/bucket and stir the crap our of it for a few minutes. Then pour the liquid into my kettle. Plus some squeezing...
     
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  7. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    Yep. I’ve always B-ed in a B and have never had efficiency issues. I don’t understand why people say you should expect issues with efficiency, especially considering that BinB doesn’t necessarily even mean no sparge. I’d be willing to bet you’d see the same efficiency issues even with a traditional setup, so the cause is probably a bit more fundamental.

    Like @Granitebeard said, crush really fine since you don’t need to worry about a stuck sparge, squeeze the bag, and maybe give the grains a rinse. I don’t think I’ve ever had efficiency below 70%, and it’s usually around 80% for average beers. After that, I’d consider your mash temperature, length, DP, and pH.
     
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  8. i_still_like_beer

    i_still_like_beer Initiate (0) Nov 21, 2018 New Jersey

    I BIAB and usually ask my LHBS to double mill my grains if I remember, I also squeeze the bag. I use a water calculator like this one. Make sure your break up any dough balls, pH is right, and temperature is where it needs to be and you should be fine. You could always add a little more to your grain bill though.
     
  9. thebriansmaude

    thebriansmaude Crusader (472) Dec 16, 2016 Canada (AB)
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    If your grain bill was high in flaked adjuncts like oats and wheat your grain bag can get pretty gummed up, and you will get less wort out of it.. all you can really do is add more grain based on your previous results, and squeeze the ever living shit out of it.
     
  10. frozyn

    frozyn Maven (1,435) May 16, 2015 New York
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    Thinking of the last person to be a jerk to you is a guaranteed way to get an extra 4-6 points out of this step.
     
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  11. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    Add about 12% more malts/grains.
     
  12. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    I agreed. I takes time to know exactly, im trying to find out mine because i keep switching from 2, 3 to 5 gal batches BIAB and maybe my eff is increasing as i do more batches, i suppose it will stall at some point and i will now exactly what it is.
     
  13. Jos3h2r

    Jos3h2r Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2015 Panama

    But yea you need all the info you can get, water volume preboil and post, gravity reading preboil and post. Is the only way to know how your system works and make the adjustments. Im doing that myself right now, but to know exactly you have to brew and brew.
     
  14. gvickery

    gvickery Maven (1,263) May 13, 2017 Texas

    I second the pour over sparge method. I also switch from a tall narrow kettle to a wide 10 gal. Seems to allow more interaction of the mash water with the grain. I’ve copied several all grain recipes and did them with BIAB and they worked fine.
     
  15. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Low efficiency was a big reason I moved from BIAB back to partial mashes :slight_smile:

    FWIW :slight_smile:
     
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