I've looked at the Brew Magic V350MS RIMS brewing system, but it can only brew 14 gallon batches. I'm looking to brew 15.5 gallons so I can keg and sell locally to several pubs. Without spending over $10,000, and needing an engineer degree to piece one together, does anyone know a complete brewing system that will brew a finished 15.5 gallons ?
Welcome to the BA site. Not to discourage you, but here are two questions: Do you have a brewer's license where you live? Liability insurance? Your idea probably is not practical unless the answer is yes to those two questions. Plus there are probably other road blocks to be considered besides larger equipment.
Keep in mind that the "Batch Size" typically quoted by some systems like the sabco generally refers to how much beer goes into the fermenter, rather than how much final product ends up in a keg. There can be substantial losses in between. Another factor is the strength of the beer you plan on making. Stronger beers require more grain which can lower the volume output of some systems. That being said, you can yield 15.5 gallons per batch (in the keg) with the following systems: Any of the "20 gallon" Morebeer Brewsculptures found on these pages http://www.morebeer.com/category/morebeer-singletier-stainless-brewsculptures.html http://www.morebeer.com/category/morebeer-tippydump-stainless-brewsculptures.html Or even bigger batches with the following options from Ruby Street Brewing http://rubystreetbrewing.com/tp60/page.asp?id=285167 http://rubystreetbrewing.com/tp60/page.asp?id=299440 Or yet even bigger batches with the systems available from Psycho Brew http://www.psychobrewllc.com/nano-brewing-systems/complete-systems.html
Yes and Yes... long story, but i have the ability to brew beer 'legally' and 'sell' legally... I brew some really nice 5 gallon batches, and have an opportunity to do more.. so alas, my search for the right equipment begins.. lol thank you
Thank you !! I had talked to More Beer rep, and their system isn't set up to brew inside.... i appreciate the info.. i'm going thru your links.. very much appreciated
You're welcome. FWIW it really depends on the size of your facility. I brew on a morebeer 20 gallon tippy system (propane) indoors at my commercial brewery for our pilot batches without issue. Our ceilings are close to 20 feet high though.
Its not that big of an area.. about 30' X 30'.. i'm going over there now to talk with building owner, and will check out ventilation, etc.. I'd rather try the brew sculptures 3 tier system then the brew magic.. how do you like the morebeer tippy system ? if you had to do it all over again for a pilot batch system, would you stick with the same ?
just because it's propane, doesn't mean you can't brew indoors with it...you just need a little stronger vent system. (ah, koopa covered that already)
From this previous thread.... http://www.beeradvocate.com/communi...-or-pilot-brewing-system.192900/#post-2899464 "I've brewed on all of them. It really depends on what you want. TopTier is good for 10 gallon batches if you can tolerate not having a single tier system. If you want to automate the TopTier then the cost definitely starts approaching the other systems. I haven't used a Blichmann Brew Easy system, but that would probably be the system I'd consider if leaning toward Blichmann. Sabco is nice for RIMS and hard plumbing, but the Chill Wizard frustrates me and I absolutely hate brewing with those keggles / fermenting with those ridiculously expensive keggle fermenters. Don't get suckered by the whole Sabco "save your recipe" bs as it isn't hard if you can take notes and aren't an idiot. If you are planning on spending this much money on homebrewing, I'd hope you can take notes and aren't an idiot. Morebeer Brew Sculpture would be my choice hands down if you wanted the larger set up (26g kettles I believe for 20g batches). It's kind of pricy if going for the 10g setup. Morebeer 10g system is a good system to brew on, but not nearly as good of a value as the 20g setup. Oh and if you are going to plunk some serious coin on the Morebeer setup, make sure to get the stainless frame version. Small price to pay for a system that will last much longer. P.S. Keep in mind that, while all parts are important, the "hot side" of brewing is the easy part. It can be accomplished very well with a cheap system. The bells and whistles are really only convenience and consistency improvements. If you don't already have a solid "cold side" set up (stir plates, temperature controlled fermentation chambers, etc), spend the money on that first." One thing I'll add.... This new system on the market looks pretty sweet... http://brewhaequipment.com/products/biac-package It mashes, vorlaufs, sparges, boils, chills, and ferments all in one! The biggest version with all of the bells and whistles costs just over $6000, has a tiny footprint, and makes up to 50 gallons! Only draw back is that, since it is both your brew system and your fermenter, you can't use it to brew another batch until the beer is kegged.
That is some very, very good advice. Sometimes I see nano breweries making beers in these plastic conicals with no real temperature control, and well... it does not bode well for the quality of the beer. Save a couple of grand on the hot side equipment and spend it on nice, temp controlled fermenters and a small glycol chiller.
thank you Koopa ! I've been conversing back and forth with the BrewHa rep... this seems perfect for me.. and if i go bigger, this would make a Great Pilot brewing system..
Just keep in mind that you won't be able to brew another batch until your current batch is done fermenting with that system. Also ask them how effective the fermentation temperature control method is. Can it maintain temps within 1 degree? How does it maintain fermentation temperature control? Does it use city water? If so, keep in mind that you may be restricted by the temperature of your city water during the summer.
The Brewha BIAC ( brew in a conical ) has a 3-in-1 system.. since the 3-in-1 is a fermenter during fermentation, really the only thing that is 'tied-up' by being extraneous is the heating element. Lots of their customers buy additional 3-in-1's, so they can have multiple batches going at one time.. Full temperature control—a thermowell in the vessel allows for bimetal or electrical temperature sensing probes and complete temperature monitoring; an ETC controller maintains temperature within 1°F of target. Easy temperature regulating during fermentation—the built-in jacket on the 3-in-1 fermenter and the Temperature Control Valve allows for easy fermentation temperature regulation Can you tell i've been talking to their rep ? lol.. I've asked 100 questions, and this really looks like the system for me.. I'm just not sure whether to get the medium or large.. if i get the medium i'd need another 3-in-1 so i can brew more, but that puts me at the large price.. I just don't like the pulley system they recommend for the large, to draw the mash colander out.
Stout Tanks and Kettles, Oregon has many different sizes, I put together a 1 BBL system for less than $6000.00 so a 20 gallon system is doable for significantly less.
