Controversial Beer Opinions Thread

I still don't think you're getting the point about complexity. The great wines reveal their true nature after a few glasses. Complexity is about what's beneath the surface, as your palate acclimates to one sensation, others rise up to take their place. It simply can't be assessed any other way.

Yes, people do small sample evaluations all the time, and there are myriad reasons why, but none of them are about being the best way to do it. They're just trying to get the most out of their particular circumstances. But when there's no such restrictions, we should try to do it the right way, imo.

Since you brought up Bourbon County, I've had at least 12oz. numerous times and have found it to be quite enjoyable throughout, with many facets. That's a big reason why I'd call it a fine beer. But let's say you have something in front of you that does become tiresome and one note after 6oz: how do you do a proper assessment without going beyond that and finding out? Giving that information to others can be just as important as any other descriptors you may give.

 

Because Craft Beer.

 

And just look at what that's led to.
More fighting on the internet.

 

A less controversial thing has never been written.

 

The internet would not be where it is today without faceless arguments. Well, faceless arguments and ****. OK . . . mostly ****.

 

Notice that in terms of legal issues, it might also be an importer issue. Not unheard of for importers to insist on certain things to make labels useful.

As for Cantillon classic, of course it won't be labled Classic with dry hopping since there is HORAL and the Laming brewers agreements as to labeling/naming conditions. If anything other than Traditional Lambic brewing methods are used certain things can not be said on the label.

BTW, are you aware of the fact that Dry Hopping is a very old practice that originated in the UK? Also are you aware that Saison is one of the most ill-defined styles listed on this web site and that there is not any universal agreement as to what can be called a Saison? Even Saison Dupont without dry hopping does not fit with what was being brewed back in the day.

 

I'll take **** over dry-hopped pilsner.

 

Not sure what you mean by the first paragraph. More useful?

And yes, dry hopping did originate in the UK. Not in Belgium or Germany.

 

Damn straight!

Back in the 90s my buddy in Portland and I used to exchange boxes- just random stuff we thought that the other would like. It's nice to see 'trading' getting back to its roots like that .

 

Naw, that sort of stuff was going on in electronic communication even before there was an internet or a World Wide Web that rides on top of the internet.

 

Useful in the sense that they do or don't want certain things specified on the labels for the US that might appear on the labels in, say, Belgium. As in using the term "Dry Hopping" on labels sold in the US. You keep blaming Dupont for what might well be an importer decision.

BTW, Dry hopping did not originate in Germany since the Germans did not use barrels in which the beers were exposed to raw wood, such as they were in the UK. Raw wood barrels are quite common in Belgium for aging beers.

Can you now provide us with some proof that Dry Hopping never occurs/occured in Belgium?

 

No, because this is the Controversial Beer Opinion thread, not the historical dry-hopping debate thread.

What, should I just suddenly start liking dry-hopped saisons because nobody can disprove their historical existence?

 

Nobody said you are not free to dislike them.

My point was don’t knock the brewey for something that may be required by the importer, the language in use, or for historical reasons. The meaning of cuvée is understood by many and easily looked up. How many native speakers of English are there who would recognize the French language version of Dry Hopping?

 

This dry hopped saison is delightful fwiw https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/22511/220095/

 

Yeah, its a lot of fun. I have a few buddies that will send me stuff whenever they get something new/fun/exciting or they think I will like. I do the same. Its kind of like a beer of the month club where you really trust the person choosing the brews to send.

 

Got moonshine? Maybe WV is not a beer mecca?

 

Let it never be said that I knocked the formidable Brasserie Dupont.
Cuvee Houblon Sec is less clunky and might make you learn some French (god forbid).

So, I'll double down and agree that the wording was importer-requested, since it is such awful pharasing.

 

I don't care, the guy I was quoting said trading wasn't working for him. Why do I want to try beer from some brewery across the country when I have the BEST beer town in the US? Boston and the surrounding area. Cheers.

 

Pliny is one of the first beers I considered a whale when I got into craft beer, so when I secured a trade for two of them - I was beyond stoked. In fact, the one and only time I invited over a close friend to open a bottle was my first bottle of Pliny. About halfway through my glass I was asked "was it worth it?" And I hesitated, then said "not really." The other beer drinker agreed, saying it was a good IPA, but not worth the trouble of obtaining it in the Midwest.

It would become of the first holy grail beers I'd have that would come to disappoint me. Although I'd love to try it again, I can't say I'll go out of my way for it.

Makes me question if attending a Pliny the Younger event in the future is worthwhile.

I think the trading forums here are grotesque.

Okay, everywhere, but I spend a majority of my time here. I have thrown up a couple of trades and all I've gotten back has been replies talking down on my trade offer. I don't have the ultra rare whales, therefore I apparently don't get to trade on forums - this one included.

Although it's not liking I'm seeking grails. I just want some good local coffee beers.

I should probably pull down my beer trader icon, but I'm hopeful I'll land a good trade one of these days.

 

I think the craft beer nerds who somehow come across "undrinkable swill" in their fridge every week, naturally resulting in emphatic drain pours, aren't doing beer right. Let's not forget to record the drain pour and share it with all of our friends!