Lizard King is Mosaic Hopped APA from Pipeworks that I really enjoy. It's got moderate bitterness, lots of flavor/aroma, and a light color. I think it's slightly hazy too. With that in mind, this is my attempt at replicating it. I haven't found a Lizard King Clone recipe online that makes any sense. Batch Size: 5.5 gallons Boil Size: 6.0 gallons OG: 1.060 FG: 1.014 7.5 lbs Pilsner LME 2.0 lbs Wheat LME (21.1%) Mosaic Hops: 1oz @ 25 min 1oz @ 10 min 2oz @ flameout (cool to ~100 degrees and add hops, steep for 15 min) 4oz dry hop 4 days Yeast- Wyeast American Ale II 1272 Fermentation Temp- 70 SRM- 3.5 IBU- 43 ABV 5.9
From what I recall you are on point with hop additions. Yours may have a bit more mouthfeel and sweetness from the lme as it isn't as ferment able as all grain, but roll with it and see what comes out the other side.
I had seen that elsewhere, Pipeworks is notoriously vague with their descriptors. You think Amarillo is used in the dry hop or somewhere in between? I am splitting a lb of Mosaic with my friend, and so this is the recipe I came up with to utilize 8oz of Mosaic hops. I'm almost wondering if even just 1oz of late addition Amarillo is enough to tweak the flavor profile more over to citrus and away from melon.
I don't know their hop schedule. Amarillo seemed to be mostly in the flavor. Mosaic was in the aroma and flavor. The aroma of a 1 week old can was not on par with a 4oz Mosaic dry hop in terms of intensity. It was more like 2oz. Of course, that doesn't mean you shouldn't use 4oz., if that's what you want to do. Mosaic is easy to overdo, IMO. I'd use 2oz of Amarillo in the boil at 5 mins and a little less Mosaic in the boil.
I have 8oz of Mosaic to work with, so I'll be using most or all of it. I might add 1oz of Amarillo at some point. Not at flameout and probably not the 20 min addition either, so I guess at 10 minutes. Any opinion on the percentage of wheat malt I should be using? Enough for body, head retention, and haze, but not enough to make it overly wheaty.
Forgive my noobery, but it seems odd to me that your first hop addition is @25 minutes. I've brewed only 4 batches, 3 different beers, and they all have started with substantial hop additions at 60 minutes. A pale ale, an IPA (twice) and an arrogant bastard clone).
I'd think about a small bittering addition at 60, then shift the rest of the boil additions to later, like 10, 5, 1 instead of 25 and 10. 100 degrees is a pretty low temperature for a whirlpool/steep. Not sure you need to take it that far down, but the science and strategy around hop stands/whirlpools seem to be very murky. Lots of info and opinions out there on this though, and most of what I've read people are staying higher than 100 when they do this.
I can reach my target IBU without a bittering hop addition. Plus my goal is easy drinking. However, it certainly could be done if I had to. I'll think about raising the temp of my whirlpool a little bit. Maybe 120 or 140 degrees?
100F is too low for a hop steep. 150F-180F is the steep zone. Since you are only steeping for 15 mins, I recommend 170-180F. The rest looks ok to me. Wheat LME is only 50-60% wheat, so you are using about 10% wheat, which is fine.
When you want a beer with a prominent bitterness then a 60 minute addition is recommended. If you are going for a subtler bitterness with higher levels of aroma and flavor from your hops then you can get the bitterness strictly from those additions.
What @jbakajust1 said, but if you want more google "hop bursting". Basically you can get a little bit of bitterness and a lot of hop flavor with lots of hops added late in the boil. edit: here is a pretty good example http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/the-averagely-perfect-american-ipa-project.206332/
I think I'm going to revise this a bit. I am going to do a partial mash and use malted white wheat and a bit of crystal. Here's what I'm thinking: 7 lbs Pilsen LME 74.7% 30 oz Malted White Wheat 20.0% 8 oz Crystal 10 5.3% I am also going to use 1 oz of Amarillo and 6 oz of Mosaic, not sure yet about the hopping schedule but it will all be relatively late additions.
Bumping this thread up.... OP any results? How did it turn out? I'm looking to brew an Amarillo/mosaic pale ale soon
