Dark lagers flavored with coffee

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  1. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I was reading WBAYDN and saw a Baltic porter with coffee that @BeerVikingSailor was drinking. It got me thinking. I love coffee beers. I used to drink many coffee stouts, when they were just flavored with coffee. In recent years, however, I have noticed that coffee stouts also come with other flavor agents that I do not want in beer, be it vanilla, cinnamon, an entire sfogliatelle (that's a joke, if you couldn't tell. No one, to my understanding, has actually made a beer with a sfogliatelle and I hope they don't, despite my deep love of the pastry). In any event, my pursuit for beers with coffee got me wondering what lagers utilize coffee. I always seem to prefer lagers to ales. Not sure why, there's a certain dryness to the finish that I really like. In any event, I was wondering what lagers have used coffee. There's obviously some coffee Baltic porters, like the one @BeerVikingSailor is drinking and some stuff that I know Jack's Abby has done. But what others? Any bocks with coffee? My brain is conjuring the taste of Ayinger Celebrator Doppelbock with a little coffee flavor. Something like that would be yummy.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  2. JrGtr

    JrGtr Pooh-Bah (1,775) Apr 13, 2006 Massachusetts
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    I don't think I've seen anything like that, at least bocks and such - I know that the German brewers wouldn't because of the purity laws.
    But give it a shot, next time you get a bottle, dose it with a little bit of coffee and see how it is.
     
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  3. BruChef

    BruChef Maven (1,277) Nov 8, 2009 New York
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    All I can think of is Paulie Walnuts and his love of “Schfooyadel” when I hear about that pastry. Not sure if they still brew it but Dark horse Used to make a beer called Perkulator Doppelbock. Can’t attest to whether it was any good because the only bottle I had was years ago and it was infected.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jesse, do you have a preferred recipe for sfogliatelle?

    There is a beer that 'references' sfogliatelle but the "entire sfogliatelle" was not used to brew this beer but I am guessing with ingredients that could be used to produce sfogliatelle:

    “DREKKER SLANG DU JOUR- SFOGLIATELLE

    4pk-16oz Cans

    North Dakota - Specialty Beer - 6.5% ABV. We brewed with a whole bunch of oats and lactose, loaded it up with lemon & brown sugar, conditioned it on toasted almonds & lots of vanilla.”

    I am personally not aware of any dark lagers that use coffee as an ingredient.

    FWIW every year I homebrew a Tmavý Ležák (Czech Dark Lager) and for my palate:

    “Aroma: A notable but subtle aroma of roasty (coffee-like) and a hint of cocoa.

    Taste: The flavor follows the nose with a pleasing combination of subtle chocolate and coffee-like. A low/moderate bitterness.”

    It will be interesting to read what other BAs have to post in this thread.

    Cheers!
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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  6. Steve_Studnuts

    Steve_Studnuts Maven (1,355) Apr 21, 2015 Pennsylvania

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  7. Sheppard

    Sheppard Grand Pooh-Bah (3,516) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    For New England, since you're in Rhode Island...
    Jack's Abby has done a Coffee versions of Smoke & Dagger, House Lager, and Baby Hammer. IDK if they still do the latter two, they're retired on the site. Coffee S&D pops up from time to time in the Beer Hall I believe. Silvaticus up in Amesbury, MA has a coffee version of their black lager. I'll add more if I think of them.
     
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    mushroomcloud Grand Pooh-Bah (4,912) Mar 4, 2005 Texas
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  9. Amendm

    Amendm Pooh-Bah (2,589) Jun 7, 2018 Rhode Island
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    Has the O.P. ever tried blending Beers, I have not since my Black & Tan days.
    Maybe Celebrator blended with a coffee Porter might work.

    Cheers.
     
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  10. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    #10 Providence, Jul 11, 2020
  11. Providence

    Providence Pooh-Bah (2,652) Feb 24, 2010 Rhode Island
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    I love Smoke and Dagger. A coffee version sounds fantastic. I'll have to keep an eye open. I'd definitely head up to the brewery for that.
     
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  12. rtrasr

    rtrasr Savant (1,032) Feb 16, 2009 Arkansas

    Whatever floats your boat but no, I am not interested in coffee flavored schwarzbier.
     
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  13. afrokaze

    afrokaze Pooh-Bah (1,962) Jun 12, 2009 Oregon
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    One of my favorite beers we make at my brewery (Breakside) is Fourth Wave, a "imperial" Vienna lager aged in bourbon barrels with high quality cold brew added coldside. Sounds strange but the malt flavors and bourbon/barrel sweetness are really complemented by the chocolate and fruit in the coffee.
     
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  14. unlikelyspiderperson

    unlikelyspiderperson Grand Pooh-Bah (3,966) Mar 12, 2013 California
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    Thank you for getting the old thinking muscles churning, I'm going to experiment with blending a small amount of a big bold coffee stout into various lagers. I think that blended into something like a Vienna lager or a dunkel it might work really well
     
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  15. rolltide8425

    rolltide8425 Pooh-Bah (2,470) Feb 18, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    Oh it is, very tasty in fact.
     
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  16. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    A local brewery does a pale lager with Kona coffee and it’s good. While not dark it’s a lager with coffee.
     
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  17. shelby415

    shelby415 Pooh-Bah (2,098) Oct 10, 2011 Oregon
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    I don't know who has Midnight Sun distro these days but I thought Brewtality Espresso Black Bier was delicious.
     
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  18. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Godspeed in Toronto makes a dark lager with coffee called Nanatzu no Taizei

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/49615/334804/

    It is mislabeled as a Baltic Porter on this site.

    It is made annually for Peche Mortel Day celebrations. The brewer/owner of Godspeed was the original brewer at Dieu de Ciel! To my taste, it is better than Peche Mortel.
     
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    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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  20. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Saranac used to have a coffee vienna lager. It was amazing. Unfortunately, I think it was discontinued. :slight_frown:
     
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