Data Analysis Made Easy with Gastrograph AI

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  1. BeerAdvocate

    BeerAdvocate Admin (4,017) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    A tech company has developed artificial intelligence to streamline quality control by replacing the manual labor behind the sensory evaluation process.

    Read the full article: Data Analysis Made Easy with Gastrograph AI
     
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  2. huckPDX

    huckPDX Crusader (496) Apr 29, 2012 Oregon

    Sigh. This article is related to https://www.beeradvocate.com/articles/15815/draw-and-hold-the-line/
    If you read their most recent press release:
    https://gastrograph.com/assets/pdf/2017PressRelease.pdf

    "AB InBev and Techstars Connection lead investments into a new quality & process control software that predicts flaws and adjusts manufacturing processes in real time, allowing producers to hit target flavor profiles in each batch."

    and

    "AB InBev is forward-thinking, and helping the entire industry through this investment.”

    Forgive me if I am skeptical about that last statement.
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    One thing you have to say about ABI: they sure are investing in a broad scope of brewing related industries.

    Pretty soon folks will be using the analogy of a four legged stool (and maybe even more legs?).

    Cheers!
     
  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Hate to let you know this, but the analogy of the 4 legged stool has already been introduced in another thread. So maybe next we may see the 5 legged stool? :slight_smile:
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tom, it is quite challenging to keep up with the stool analogies.

    It is only a matter of time before somebody posts about ABI and "stool" where the term of "stool" will mean something other than furniture.:rolling_eyes:

    Cheers!
     
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  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    While I understand your reasons here, if the company responsible for producing this wishes to sell it only to ABInBev there would be reason for concern. So if were going to be for the benefit of only ABInBev they'd have no reason to support or be involved with the company that has developed it and will be making it. If ABInBev wanted the technology to be proprietary and for their exclusive use only they'd have built it in-house. However if the company that developed it with their support intends making a profit they wouldn't do so only from what ABInBev would pay. There's a much more lucrative potential market than just what ABInBev can provide. It's quite a bit cheaper for ABInBev to support someone developing desirable technology than pay all the in house development costs and personnel costs that would be required.
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tom, the fact that this is a cloud based tool presents you with zero concerns?

    Cheers!
     
  8. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    The fact that it is cloud-based alone does not give me any concerns (heck, there are a lot of companies running commonly used tools in the cloud)... The questions about who will have access to the data is something I would be more interested in knowing.
     
  9. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Given what I've learned over the years about computer security in general, anything cloud based gives me concerns. But those concerns are not unique to anything involving ABI, who in a funding relationship such has this one would probably be equally vulnerable to security breaches. They would also be a bigger target and so more vulnerable. Nor do I seen any value to ABI in having an exlusive, for their use only, "backdoor."

    So now you raise it I'm actually wondering if the idea of vulnerability has even occured to ABI. Nor would I be confident that AI folks for the company developing the system have taken adequate steps to ensure security.

    My basic rule when it comes to computer security is "Paranoia isn't enough." :slight_smile:
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am not a computer scientist so pardon my lack of specificity here.

    Permit me to discuss this in more layman terms:

    Brewery A sends data (which I personally would consider to be proprietary data) to a server (or similar computing device) somewhere and AI software accepts that data and performs an analysis. The results of that analysis is then sent back to Brewery A.

    AFS has that proprietary data and it just so happens ABI is an investor (part owner) of AFS. If I was the owner of Brewery A I would ask: How do I know that ABI is not accessing my proprietary data? Do you know the answer to that question?

    Cheers!
     
  11. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    In advance of a reply from @dbrauneis let me ask you a couple of questions. Do you ever use a credit or debit card to make purchases? If you do, do you ever make purchases online, say from some place like Amazon. com?
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Let's pretend I am the owner of Brewery A:

    I would reply that I trust Amazon when I make a credit card purchase. 'Part' of this trust involves that I am personally not responsible for fraudulent charges (my credit card company is).

    I would reply that I would not feel comfortable using the word "trust" when I provide proprietary data to a second party unless there was truly a way for me to verify that my proprietary data was remaining proprietary. Needless to say, given the recent discussion on a number BA threads, I have a 'heightened' sensitivity when it comes to providing proprietary data to a company that is part owned by ABI.

    Is this reply understandable to you?

    Cheers!
     
  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Oh it's perfectly understandable. What I don't understand is why you choose to make a snarky comment/response to a reasonable question. Especially when you don't have the foggiest idea why the question was asked in the first place and claim not to be a Computer Scientist. So I'll keep what I know/understand about the real or imagined computer security issues involved to myself.

    Is this reply understandable to you?
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tom, there was absolutely no snark intended.

    I truly was uncertain whether I was communicating clearly here since this is not my area of expertise. My comment was simply to affirm that I was communicating in a clear manner.

    Cheers!
     
  15. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    In general, these systems are multi-tenant meaning that each client (in this case) brewery has their own instance with their own passwords/keys/certificates to access it and the data is stored encrypted... Generalized data is aggregated into the machine learning portion of the AI (the data is stripped of names/dates/companies/etc and feed into the backend datastore). For example, IBM has the Watson AI system which H&R Block is using to power their tax return business but IBM's employees/developers would not have access to the individual tax return data.

    Generally investors in IT companies do not have access to the customer data... in this case ABI is acting as a VC firm meaning they likely own some portion of the company if/when it becomes successful. This differs a bit from the RateBeer/ABI relationship because in that case they are providing capital and workers/contractors.
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Just to double check here: IBM people will have access to individual tax return data?

    Cheers!
     
  17. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Also, it should be noted that the majority of these cloud based tools are running out of a bunch of AWS (Amazon hosted cloud) instances.
     
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  18. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Would not. Sorry for the typo.
     
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  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Any chance this relationship would change in the future where ABI would have folks involved?

    Cheers!
     
  20. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Depends on the terms of any said contracts but I would be surprised if end clients/breweries would agree to a system that allowed the company providing the tools to have/share access to proprietary data.

    My guess is the ABI is interested in using the system and deriving revenue from others using it via an ownership stake.
     
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