First IPA recipe critique

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  1. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    Recently finished conditioning my first IPA and am looking for some feedback on what I could do to improve the next batch and why- I actually liked the flavor and aroma of this one more than I expected in some bottles, but there was a bit of inconsistency which I think may have come from oxygen introduced when bottling/different bottle fill levels? Thanks in advance to everyone who helps out!

    Galaxy single hop ipa
    1 gallon (1.5 pre boil)
    OG: ~1.062 FG: 1.012
    IBU: 60 SRM estimation 5.94

    1.6 lbs Briess Pale Ale LME
    175g rolled oats added at 8' (first brew day so wasn't sure when to add extra fermentables like this)

    4.5g Galaxy 60' (pellet/AA:15/)
    1g Galaxy 20'
    2g Galaxy 5'
    20g Galaxy (dry hop in primary)

    Fermented at ~74 degrees (my house temp) for two and a half weeks
    Primed with cane sugar and bottled (had problems due to particles and not bei able to work auto siphon too well) from primary.
    Conditioned for 15 days.

    Here's a photo of the results

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  2. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    In order to successfully tweak your recipe and/or process, you'll need to identify how you would like the flavor and/or aroma (and other aspects) of you brew to be different from this one. Then you can try to identify how your can make your next beer approach your target. For more specific answers you will need to let us know in what ways this beer is deficient. Some specific suggests may then follow. Cheers!
     
  3. Mohican88

    Mohican88 Initiate (0) Jan 20, 2010 Ohio

    My first thought was that your beer looks a bit dark for an estimated SRM of ~6, which may just be the photo or it may indicate that oxidation has occurred? Did all of the beers look like this or have you noticed some variation? In my experience IPAs are one of the tougher styles to bottle condition because of how fragile some of desired hop aromas and flavors can be. My suggestion would be to put the beers in the fridge after they've carbonated, which will slow any oxidation and preserve the beer as intended.

    My second thought was to try to ferment at a lower temperature next time. With a 1 gallon batch size, a wet t-shirt with a small fan would likely help you bring your temperature down below 70 in those conditions. Unless I'm coaxing a specific characteristic from a yeast strain I generally ferment on the cooler side of the recommended range since fermentation will generate heat. For an IPA a cooler fermentation will result in a cleaner profile and allow the hops to shine.

    Congrats on your first IPA!
     
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  4. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    What did the beer taste like?

    Initial thoughts:
    -74 room temp? If so the wort is going to be higher during active fermentation causing a greater amount of fruity esters.

    -beer looks kinda dark. I find extracts to be darker when all the extract is added during the beginning of the boil. However, I've never brewed a 1 gallon batch. Also, IPAs I bottle always appear darker than when keg due to O2 pickup.
     
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  5. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    The temp was one thing I was definitely thinking could have added to the just sort of off flavors. The beer definitely had a tropical fruit character that I was aiming for, but the nose and the taste, particularly the finish, just smelled and tasted "off". I'm not sure exactly how to describe it, I guess that will come with brewing and drinking for longer, but it wasn't as bright and juicy as I hoped, the hop flavor seemed to be a bit muddled. It is a bit dark, and I know for sure I added some oxygen when filling the bottles because of the siphon. Thankfully with only one gallon they won't last longer than a few days so I'm hoping that doesn't impact it much. In person it's about the same color as cigar city's jai alai, if that helps.

    With all of the issues I was having with the siphon the bottles weren't all filled uniformly, so I'm thinking this too may have impacted the inconsistency? The bottles filled to a more proper level tasted better than those filled too much or too little.
     
  6. RogelioRodriguez

    RogelioRodriguez Initiate (0) Nov 7, 2015 California

    Looks great...It has head...most of the IPA beer on the market is so filtered or treated with finings, that head doesn't linger for more than half a minute.

    Enjoy the big pillow of head, that's what you can do with homebrew.
     
  7. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    You should do a mini mash/steep with the grains next time, before you start to boil and add the LME. Get your water up to around 160 and then add the grains in a muslin bag, cover your kettle and let it steep like tea for anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour or so. This could have caused some off flavors and will help give you the NE IPA haze that I assume you're looking for in an IPA with oats. Your fermentation temp is a little too high, as others pointed out, and will help add unwanted off flavors. If you fermented at around 74, your wort was 5 or so degrees hotter due to exothermic reactions involved with fermentation... 80 is a bit too high for most ales. I don't do 1 gallon batches, but I do know that minor errors are exposed exponentially in the final beer compared to a typical 5 or 10 gallon batch, because of the lower volume of beer being produced versus the minor mess up, whatever it may be. Seems to me that 1 gallon batches would also have a bigger problem with oxidation overall compared to bigger batches because of size as well, but that's just a guess, not something I'm sure of.

    All that Galaxy looks like it would make a killer IPA though...single hop Galaxy IPAs are always my favorite homebrews to drink! Keep working on your mistakes and before long you'll be making tasty error free beers consistently!!!
     
  8. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    Congrats on brewing your 1st IPA! A couple thoughts:

    +1 to the comment about fermenting too hot. I like to ferment my IPA s at 68, which typically means using an ambient temp of about 63-65. This will make for a cleaner (and less hot/solventy alcohol character) ferment and will reduce any esters that can detract from the hop aroma and flavor.

    +1 to the comment about adding the extract (at least part of it) at the end of the boil (with 10 minutes left until flameout). This will reduce kettle carmelization, which will give you the lighter SRM/color that I think you were shooting for. by doing this, you can also save $ by using less hops for bittering. This is because hop utilization decreases drastically in higher gravity worts, so you have to adjust your bittering charge down to get the same IBU contribution.

    +1 to the comment about oxidation. Did I interpret your comment correctly that you are using an auto-siphon to individually fill each bottle? If so, then I think that is definitely causing oxidation because you are introducing a small amount of oxygen every time you start the auto siphon to fill a new bottle. I've never brewed a 1 gallon batch, but I would think you would be much better off if you used the auto-siphon once to transfer the beer to a bottling bucket (just a food grade bucket with a spigot), and then attached a length of tubing and a bottling wand to the spigot. By doing so, you can get more consistent bottle-fill levels and you can prevent oxygen from being introduced to each bottle.

    Regarding your comment about having issues with all the particles in your beer, you can do several things to reduce this. 1st, One trick that I've used with great results when transferring/bottling/kegging hoppy beers is to take a sanitized (boiled or soaked in sanitizer and rung out) muslin grain bag or mesh bag and slide it over the auto siphon before transferring and it will filter out a large majority of the hop flakes and particles as well as the trub. This makes a big difference. 2nd, you could cold crash the beer by putting it in the fridge overnight before bottling. This will cause the particles that are floating in suspension to precipitate and fall to the bottom of the fermentor. The only concern with this approach (since it sounds like you bottle condition) is that if you refrigerate for too long (more than a day or 2), you may need to add more yeast (just a portion of a pack of US-05) or the beer may not have enough yeast left in suspension to ferment the priming sugar and carbonate the bottles. If you only leave it in the fridge overnight though, there should be plenty of yeast left to carb the bottles without needing to add more.

    My only other question would be how do you add the priming sugar? Are you adding sugar to each bottle or all at once to the fermentor before bottling? If you are getting inconsistent results from bottle to bottle, it may be related to varying levels of carbonation from bottle to bottle. When I bottle conditioned, I found that I got my best results when I racked the beer to a bottling bucket, then I calculated how much sugar to add based on the final volume of beer that made it to the bottling bucket. I then boiled the appropriate amount of sugar in a small amount of water (just enough to dissolve the sugar), cooled the solution, added it to the bottling bucket on top of the beer, and stirred slowly (don't splash or that will cause oxidation) for about 5 minutes with a sanitized spoon until the sugar is mixed uniformly with the beer. Then bottle using the spigot and bottling wand. Once the bottles are capped, move them to warm room (at least 70) and let sit for a week or two. Once they are fully carbed, refrigerate and keep as close to 32 degrees until you are ready to drink them.
     
  9. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    Thanks everyone for the input-

    I'm going to brew another pale ale tomorrow and I'll try using a swamp cooler with a shirt over top to keep the temp down, I think that may be where most of my issues came from. Would I be able to get it ~10-12 degrees cooler than ambient temp using this technique?

    In regards to adding the extract at the end of the boil, would I just follow through the standard procedures then add, say 10% in the last ten minutes?

    I don't have a designated bottling bucket yet, so when adding priming sugar I added it to about a cup of water, cooled and stirred it into the primary and let sit for an hour, which I'm sure stirred up a lot of the trub and hop particles that I wanted to avoid when filling. I used the muslin bag trick but only after first clogging my siphon, adding oxygen, and having to disassemble and clean it out in the middle of bottling.
     
  10. DVoors

    DVoors Zealot (627) Jan 6, 2014 Indiana

    Well that probably explains the sediment/floating particle and oxidation issues you experienced. Nothing you can do about it now, but if you remember to do the Muslim bag trick next time, that should drastically reduce both of those issues. I would suggest you get a bottling bucket for next time. I believe you can probably get one for $20 or less. Otherwise, if you have another 1 gallon fermentor, you could cold crash, rack the beer off the hops and trub into a cleaned and sanitized 1 gallon fermentor and stir in the priming sugar solution before bottling. That way, you are not bottling all the yeast hops and trub, and you're bottled beer will be much more clear and clean tasting.
     
  11. ssam

    ssam Pundit (997) Dec 2, 2008 California

    You can attach a bottling wand to an autosiphon.
     
  12. IannG

    IannG Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2011 Connecticut

    What yeast did you use? I've made an IPA with White Labs Vermont Ale Yeast (Conan) and got tons of off belgian-like, estery flavors from fermenting at 75 degrees. I switched to Wyeast 1318 - London Ale III and that corrected the issue while still fermenting at 75 degrees.

    I also brew 1 gallon batches with some different techniques than what your using, you could check it out here: http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/strawberry-fields-apa-extract.430066/
     
  13. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I have no idea what added at 8' means.

    Flaked oats (rolled oats) do not have diastatic power so this need to be mashed (steeped) with base malt in order for the starches to convert.

    Cheers!
     
  14. yoogaloon

    yoogaloon Initiate (0) Feb 7, 2016 Florida

    @JackHorzempa ive since realized this, rookie mistake! Will correct it in batch two.

    @IannG I used Safale US-05
     
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