Hop substitution

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  1. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Hey BA!
    Want to brew an Irish red with lager yeast today and don’t have an EKG or Fuggles which is what I’d normally use for this type of beer. My homebrew store is closed and I have the following hops on hand: centennial, jarrylo, Hallertau MF, styrian goldings, Columbus, and Amarillo. Which of these would be best to substitute? I’m only buttering at 60 and a tad at 15.
     
  2. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I'll vote Centennial. Absolutely not Jarrylo or Amarillo. Hallertau Mittelfruh should be OK as well. Columbus would be fine for bittering but I'm not sure about the flavor addition.
     
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  3. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Are styrian goldings not close to fuggles or Kent Goldings?
     
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  4. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    AIUI Styrians are actually a form of Fuggles. They'd be my first choice out of that lot.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  6. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    To my taste Styrian Goldings are nothing like East Kent Goldings, nor do I really think they're like Fuggles. They're distinctive.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I agree with Styrian Goldings as the best choice from the list for an Irish Red. Also, I can't tell from the OP if the idea is to make an Irish Red Ale (but a lager yeast is all that's available) or to make a lager that's reminiscent of an Irish Red. If the former, I'd recommend pushing the fermentation temp up to or near typical Ale fermentation temps.
     
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  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I actually changed my mind and am going to use Nottingham ale yeast instead since I have it on hand. Was going to use some s-23 but figured to just use ale yeast and ferment on the cooler side.
     
  9. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    columbus for bittering
    styrian for finishing.
     
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  10. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Thanks for everyone’s help. Just gonna use all styrian goldings and I’m about to hit a boil now.
     
  11. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Styrian IS Fuggle.
     
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  12. Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse

    Ten_SeventySix_Brewhouse Zealot (744) Jul 20, 2016 Indiana

    I realize you’re probably all finished up by now, but I thought I’d post here anyway for posterity. I used centennial in a Scottish ale and was very happy with it. With relatively low hopping levels, I got more of a nice floral aroma and flavor from it. Not out of place at all, in my opinion, even if it is historically inaccurate.
     
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