How badly did I mess up?

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  1. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    I'm following a recipe for a 2.5 gallon black IPA that I received printed from a brew shop: http://bitterandesters.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IPA_Midnight-Blues-Black-IPA-2.5.pdf

    I believe I followed every direction to a exactly as stated. The brew is currently sitting in a fermenter and I just took a gravity reading of 1.085. According to the recipe the OG should be 1.06. Should I just let it ferment without any alterations? Will it even ferment? If there are alterations I can do, what would they be?
     
  2. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
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    Did you take a reading before putting the wort into the fermenter?
    How long has it been in the fermenter?
    Did you pitch the yeast dry and at what temp?
     
  3. CADETS3

    CADETS3 Initiate (0) Dec 3, 2014 Texas

    Do you have 2.5 gallons or 1.5?
     
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  4. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
    Pooh-Bah

    That sounds plausible that he started with 2.5 and boiled down to 1.5 gal.
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Common reasons for higher than expected Original Gravity readings for extract batches...

    - Measurement Error (eyeballed the hydrometer wrong, or not enough wort in the hydrometer test jar (hydrometer bottoming out))
    - Not Enough Water (i.e. total volume or wort too low)
    - If partial boil, Wort and Top Off water not thoroughly mixed before measurement
    - Hydrometer not calibrated

    ETA: To answer your question... if the gravity really is too high, which applies only to the second reason above, you can add water. I'd suggest RO/distilled water.
     
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  6. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    Thanks for all the help/suggestions. I am pretty sure I do not have a full 2.5 gallons. If I add distilled water will the yeast still be alright or do I need to pitch a new batch of yeast? I used one package of safale us-05 that I rehydrated before hand.

    I almost positive the OG is right because I was given a refractometer and it's pretty clear to see what the gravity is. This reading was taken immediately after it was put into the fermenter and checked again this morning and it did not change.
     
  7. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Add another pack of US-05 and call it an Imperial Black PA :slight_smile: ...seriously, I don't think this recipe is going to finish at 1.015 with all dark extract... or taste like an IPA...but I could be wrong.

    I like the instructions...for the most part, but what's with the goofy statement
    "Dark and smooth with wheat body balanced perfectly by hop bitterness"
    There is only 4 oz of wheat in this recipe and it's Midnight Wheat at that
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No need to pitch more yeast.

    Be sure to take the "brix" reading from the refractometer and convert it to OG using a good refractometer calculator. If you're looking at the "SG" scale that some refractometers have on their right side, be aware that it's not accurate for beer wort. The reason conversion is needed for OG is that refractometers are calibrated for a single simple sugar (sucrose), but beer wort contains several types of sugars/dextrins, with different refractive indices.

    You'll also need to enter your final refractometer reading in the same calculator (along with the original reading) in order to get a good FG and ABV value. The calculator is even more important for FG, because the presence of alcohol skews the reading.
     
  9. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    I probably should have mentioned that was an all grain recipe that they had in store. I don't remember exactly the grains and their weights, but maybe it has more wheat?

    Welp, I was looking at the right side for sure and just taking that number :slight_frown:

    After I add the distilled water, should I start seeing yeast activity relatively quickly? The first batch I ever did, the bubbling happened almost immediately.

    I will report back tonight!
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Probably, but not because you added water. It will be because fermentation has progressed to that stage, i.e. beyond the lag phase. There's a pretty wide range of "normal" lag times that you'll see, dependent upon many factors. There's no reason to expect this batch to act exactly like the previous one, unless everything (recipe, process, yeast condition) was exactly the same.
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Here's the best (IMO) standalone refractometer calculator, by Sean Terrill...
    http://seanterrill.com/2012/01/06/refractometer-calculator/

    That same calculator (with a slight enhancement) is incorporated into the BrewCipher spreadsheet, if you want an integrated brewing software tool. Most people eventually do, and I'll recommend this one because it's mine...
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/brewcipher-4-0.294104/
     
  12. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    awesome, thanks!
     
  13. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Distilled water has no effect on yeast, thus, by adding Water all you are doing is diluting the wort to add more volume and lower the gravity. Now you'll have more beer at a lower ABV as opposed to less beer at a higher ABV.
     
  14. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    I guess I was asking more in the vain of "Is the yeast fucked, because it's been sitting in the fermenter with the wort and doing nothing for the past 15 hours?"
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    No.
     
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  16. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    Also, I have one of those oxygen wand things and and oxygen tank. Should I do that after I add the distilled water, or will it not really matter much?
     
  17. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    I know it's nerve racking but don't worry about it until @48 hrs. If there is no activity after 48 days then look into ways to "fix it". Also, just because there is no air lock activity doesn't mean it's not fermenting.

    I may have missed it but what temp are you fermenting at?
     
  18. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    It's in a closet right now @ ~68F. I do have colder areas in my apt that I can move it to if need be.
     
  19. GetMeAnIPA

    GetMeAnIPA Pooh-Bah (2,559) Mar 28, 2009 California
    Pooh-Bah

    In general it's better to start cold and then allow the temp to rise. During the first 48 hours is when the yeast grow and where most of the "off" Flavors come from. Yeast are more active in warmer temps. Thus, as the yeast become more dormant the increase in temp in the later stages the increase in temp helps keep them active to clean up after themselves.

    68 is around the warmest I would go with S-05 if you maintain that temp and I mean the temp of the wort not the air. If the ambient temp is 68 the center of the wort will be warmer and when fermentation begins the temp can rise to 5 - 7 degrees do to yeast activity.
     
  20. meter_

    meter_ Initiate (0) Oct 14, 2015 New York

    Okay, I will move it to a cooler area in my apartment. It is ~63F.
     
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