Imperial chocolate cognac stout, help!

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  1. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    Hey guys! So I recently had the brilliant idea to brew an imperial chocolate (milk?) stout but throw in some orange peels and then age it on heavy toasted american oak chips soaked for several weeks in Grand Mariner cognac. The idea stemmed from a chocolate crepe with grand mariner that I had in France. Seemed like a good idea for a stout. Anyway, what follows is the recipe I have so far. My hope is to get 13+%ABV. But I'm relatively new to brewing high gravity, so any advice will help! Thanks!


    I'll be doing a 4 gallon boil, partial mash, extract brew. 1 gallon top off for a total of 5 gallons.

    6.6 lbs of Dark Malt liquid extract
    6.6 lbs of Amber Malt liquid extract (or use dried to minimize the water content?)

    8oz Dark Chocolate
    4oz Crystal 60L
    8oz Flaked Oats
    4oz Roasted barley

    1/2 oz Nugget (bittering: boil 50mins)
    1/2 oz Nugget (aroma: boil 10mins)

    2 packs of #1084 Irish Ale Yeast
    Champagne yeast added in secondary

    Also thinking of adding:
    1 lb of Dextrose (added with malt)
    1 lb of Orange Blossom Honey (added in last 15mins of boil)

    1.62 oz of Heavy Toasted American Oak soaked in Grand Marnier (added to secondary fermentation after 2 or more weeks - let beer sit in secondary for a minimum of 6 weeks total)

    1 oz of Sweet Orange Peel (added in last 5 minutes of boil)

    1/2 lb of Lactose (thinking it will help round out the boozy bite?)

    A small piece of a vanilla bean??



    Primary fermentation: until fermentation stops. 1-3 weeks, estimated.

    Secondary fermentation: 6+ weeks, for aging purposes.

    Also, I am going to bottle this beer and not keg it.
     
  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    I'm not a recipe guy to be able to comment on that, but I will say this - I hope the recipe turns out a beer that is as good as the inspiration that got it started. Wow! :slight_smile::slight_smile::slight_smile::slight_smile:
     
  3. CurtFromHershey

    CurtFromHershey Initiate (0) Oct 4, 2012 Minnesota

    I haven't run the numbers, but my gut is telling me you'll need more than two packs of yeast for this beer. Also, how to you intend to oxygenate the wort prior to pitching and controlling temperature after? You'll want to treat the yeast like kings if you want them to produce a 13%+ beer for you.

    I'd also consider adding the honey at high krausen vs. in the boil. You won't retain any honey flavor if you boil it for 15 minutes.

    You may want to up your IBUs as well.
     
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  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Are you adding the Orange Blossom Honey in order to add more orange flavor? If so, I'd skip it, and get it from oranges/zest. OB Honey doesn't have all that much orangey flavor.
     
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  5. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    make a starter for your yeast. Makes a bigg difference when fermenting big beers
     
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  6. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    I can't think of a good reason to use champagne yeast in the secondary. I'd use Scottish ale yeast (1728) instead of Irish. If you have already used 1084 and like it, then it would be fine. I think it has too much yeasty character for this type of beer.
     
  7. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia


    I agree that those crepes are awesome, however, can I ask what the link was between the crepes and the flavours in a stout? I would have been more inclined to go with something more malty and without the roast -- along the lines of a Barleywine / Belgian Dark Strong.
     
  8. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Maybe the crepes were a little scorched? :wink:
     
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  9. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    The idea was basically like "this chocolate and grand mariner tastes pretty good! And I want to brew a big imperial stout...HEY, I have an idea!" haha
     
  10. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    As for pitching a yeast starter, never made one of those before, so any help on that would be beneficial! Thanks guys!
     
  11. Brew_Betty

    Brew_Betty Initiate (0) Jan 5, 2015 Wisconsin

    How to make a starter - Mrmalty.com

    I recommend not trying to make a 13%+ beer. Shoot for 10% max. A cool fermentation temperature (62-66) will produce the best result. Higher temperatures can turn your big beer into a harsh boozy mess.
     
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  12. boothbeer

    boothbeer Initiate (0) Jul 19, 2009 Illinois

    I like the use of the amber extract, but seems like a lot of Dark extract. Have you considered doing less dark and adding more amber or pale? Then you can increase your steeping grains to give you more control over your beer. Make sure to read the contents of the dark extract. My concern would be with that much dark extract, your steeping grains wont matter all that much because your flavor will basically be what is contained in the dark extract.

    I also agree with Curt that you should up the IBUs. With an imperial stout, you should be in the range of 45-75. Centennial and EKG are commonly used in stouts. But if you like Nugget, it's your beer!

    A question I have is how do you plan to carbonate the beer? Priming sugar before bottling? Have you calculated how much you are going to need?

    Cheers, and let us know how it turns out!
     
  13. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    Typically I use 5-6 oz of priming sugar in the bottling bucket (usually boil it with 1/2 cup of water and then add to bottling bucket, then add in the beer and proceed with bottling) and that's done the trick in the past.

    That is a good point you make with the excessive use of dark extract. I think I might try to balance it out with the lighter extract and make it more of a 50/50 ratio. I'm planning on brewing on the 29th of this month, so I'll post what the final recipe ends up being.
     
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  14. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    not to add any confusion, but, when making a big beer , over 9% I typically add 3 oz to 5 gallons, because, big beers are slow to bottle carb and I have found , sometimes, the extra sugar ends up at a sweeter taste than you want. But as another poster wisely said, it is your beer.
     
  15. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    UPDATE #1:
    I brewed yesterday and all went really well. We're not even 24 hours into fermentation and I've had to run a blow off line! All good signs. Starting gravity was 1.120.

    I still need to add the honey, I've been told to add that honey at the peak of fermentation, my question is this...what is the best way to add that honey, pop the lid off the fermenter and just dump it in? Also, I know that doing this will increase my ABV, but how do I measure it accurately if I've already taken the SG - just take another hydrometer reading?


    Thanks!
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Many of us recommend to extract brewers that they use pale malt extract to get their gravity and steep specialty grains to get their colors and flavors. The reason for this is that when you buy dark extract, you may not have a good understanding of how much color comes from roasted malts vs. sweet crystal malts, so that if you also steep crystal and/or roasted, your beer my come out unbalanced. On the other hand, if you already have experience with a particular dark extract and you know that it will do a good job for this particular beer, then ignore this comment.
     
  17. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    I've added sugar to an imperial stout during fermentation before to boost the ABV and the get the yeast active after they decided to quit. If you have brewing software such as Beersmith, you can plug in "1lb honey" for your batch size and see how many gravity points that gives you. Then you can basically add that amount to your O.G.
     
  18. CaptainQuint

    CaptainQuint Initiate (0) Apr 23, 2014 Massachusetts

    Awesome! Thanks, my trial run of Beersmith ran out about a month ago so I'll have to consider buying it.
     
  19. jlordi12

    jlordi12 Pooh-Bah (1,856) Jun 8, 2011 Massachusetts
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