Last Rated/Active Column Added to Beer Lists

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  1. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    Check out: End of Year Site Updates

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    Anyone who's been on BeerAdvocate for a while knows that I occasionally like to shake things up around here with updates. It keeps things from becoming stagnant by applying new ideas. Some of them stick and become the norm, while others generate valuable feedback and evolve overtime.

    As for this update, it's something that I've been wanting to apply the last couple of years: Put more focus on recent beer rating activity to help with discovery. First, last week I added a field to the beer database that tracks the last time the beer was rated. It updates when the beer is rated, a user rating is deleted, or a mod updates the beer. No big deal. Simple update. And it's now displayed under the beer notes section on the beer's page.

    But, what if we applied it elsewhere?

    Brewery Beer Lists
    Example: As of this post, Firestone Walker has:
    • Active: 149 beers rated within the last two years
    • Inactive: 53 beers not rated for at least two years, which will remain inactive until rated or retired
    • Retired: 200 beers tagged a discontinued / no longer brewed
    (Click the links to dig into the lists.)

    You'll also notice a new, sortable column named "Last Active." This date will either be the last time the beer was rated or the date the beer was entered if there's no ratings. By default, brewery beer lists are sorted using this date to support the overall purpose of this update.

    Beer Style Lists
    The Last Active column has also been added to the beer styles section, and sorted on it by default. For an example, check out German Pilsner. You can still sort by number of ratings (the previous default), but this update makes these pages a bit more dynamic and you'll be more likely to stumble upon something new as a result.

    Notes:
    • Last Active is the server date (UTC), but I hope to eventually apply the viewing user's timezone to it.
    • Why two years as the active/inactive split? It was the consensus amongst the mod team.
    Shaking Things Up
    I'm exploring applying the last rated field to the Top Rated lists to constantly keep 'em fresh and help to eliminate inactive beers, as well as some other applications.

    More to follow...
     
  2. snaotheus

    snaotheus Poo-Bah (5,545) Oct 6, 2008 Washington
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  3. beerjerk666

    beerjerk666 Poo-Bah (3,159) Aug 22, 2010 Florida
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    I like it!
    More was to sort is always awesome.

    Hoping to soon be able to sort our own individual user data, too. :grin:
     
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  4. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    It looks like the 'active status' is reflected in beer profiles now too, unless that was always a feature...?

    For kicks, I was trying to see how many 'inactive' beers fell onto different state's top lists. Not to ask for more and more, but my first suggestion with this new feature is to implement it to 'top' lists. Understandably, these beers will probably be more 'active' than others as people try to complete the list. It'd be interesting to see how often these beers are being ticked though. May be especially telling for retired beers surviving on state or style lists.

    Appreciate the update, @Todd
     
  5. ChicagoJ

    ChicagoJ Meyvn (1,450) Feb 2, 2015 Illinois

    Love these changes @Todd !

    The two year cutoff makes sense, to avoid much reshuffling for annual releases, and also for beers people cellar.

    I will hopefully get to entering my huge backlog of ratings the first half of 2022, looking forward to having all my data online.
     
  6. Beer_Economicus

    Beer_Economicus Crusader (786) Apr 8, 2017 Ohio
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    This seems like a great idea. Phenomenal. Love it. I was just talking with another member about how few people rate the Bourbon County beers anymore compared to years past. He spent awhile going through the data. This type of additional should make all that data much easier to gather and set up.

    Thanks @Todd
     
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  7. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Poo-Bah (9,286) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    So, at least for me, this is going to make finding a specific beer on a brewery's list more difficult. When I go to the brewery page, the beers are no longer alphabetical, so that I could scroll to the letter the beer name starts with, I'll have to actively scan each beer, until I find it. Which will be a huge PITA when in a store looking to see if I've had a beer or not.

    Why not just enter the beers name?, I hear y'all asking. Have you noticed how many beers have the same, or very similar, names? The beer you're looking for might be buried several pages deep. it's always been quicker and easier to go brewery>beer than to just enter the beer name.
     
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  8. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (9,635) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    All you to do is single tap name icon On top and it will go to Alphabetical.
     
  9. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    The 'Name' column still sorts alphabetically. If you select it, it'll revert to #, A-Z. Select again, and it'll reverse. Default is now "Last Active" though, as opposed to "Name".

    Edit: @gatornation beat me to it. But if anyone knows how to run a ctrl+f search on a brewery page via mobile, I'm interested. I love that feature when at my desktop, but lack that fine tuning when on mobile. May help expedite for BBThunderbolt too.
     
  10. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (9,635) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    I do see however more duplicate additions of newer beers being added because the default is now last active.
     
  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    It's new (as noted in my post).
     
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  12. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    Another perk of the update, I guess. Beer Tools > Propose Edit :wink:
     
  13. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    And you addressed my comment in my first post via your opening post too.

    Some times reading is tough....
     
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  14. Sheppard

    Sheppard Poo-Bah (2,057) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Really like this change as far as being able to see new beers/new breweries that are doing work that may have less attention than the mainstays. Is there a way to have this on the state/local level? I realize that you can look at local reviews currently, but I like the list format of this change more.
     
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  15. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    If you're at a computer, you can run a 'ctrl' (or 'command') & 'f' search. It brings up a search bar for that webpage. If you do this while the 'all' list is active, or where you'd enter a new beer name, you could search keywords of the beer name to insure it has not been added.

    Personally, I do this so I don't have to scan lists to verify the presence of a beer. Of course, this only works if you're adding beer at a computer. The latter is why I usually add a few new beers to a brewery while at a computer if I know I'll be visiting that night.
     
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  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    Interesting idea. I'm definitely going to give it some thought.
     
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  17. Sheppard

    Sheppard Poo-Bah (2,057) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    All I can ask for.
     
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  18. Rug

    Rug Meyvn (1,467) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    iPhone or Android?
     
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  19. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Android, but if it's possible for Apple, it may be helpful to share that information with others here too.
     
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  20. Rug

    Rug Meyvn (1,467) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Wish I could help you personally my friend, but I can certainly share for other iOS users. On a brewery page, select all to get the full list. Tap the share icon on the bottom middle of the screen (square with an up arrow) and scroll about halfway down til you find an option that says "Find on Page". Then it works just like ctrl+f on desktop
     
  21. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Poo-Bah (4,877) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Duuude. That's epic.

    Your direction had me re-assessing my phone: Android users using Google Chrome has an option to 'Find on Page' in the ellipses on the top right. Perhaps this same feature is on Apple for Google Chrome as well...?

    I do not have experience with other mobile browsers, so I can't speak to the functionality there.

    This will make navigating pages so quicker, and easier to verify beers being added are not duplicates. Thanks, @Rug .
     
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  22. Rug

    Rug Meyvn (1,467) Aug 20, 2018 Massachusetts
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    Happy to help! I should note I was using Safari on my iPhone, but that's the default for Apple users so that process should be the same for everyone
     
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  23. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,243) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    FWIW -- I notice that if I click Last Active on a brewery's home page it jumps to the oldest first -- click again and I get newest. Some sort'a glitch?

    Android phone, BTW.
     
  24. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    Not a glitch. As designed. Last Active defaults to descending (most recently active first), clicking the column will reverse order, and so on.
     
  25. Sludgeman

    Sludgeman Poo-Bah (2,462) Aug 17, 2012 District of Columbia
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    For the time being, why not add it as an information only column. "Last rated" doesn't need to impact the order but having that info would at least let us know which of these top rated beers are actually active. Let's see what that tells us. Maybe there's an epiphany waiting on the other side.
     
  26. cryptichead

    cryptichead Poo-Bah (1,709) Jul 3, 2014 Illinois
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    Will inactive beers eventually become retired? Or does it require an affirmative edit? If so, the inactive list may turn into a purgatory waiting room
     
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  27. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,243) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    But I'm getting the oldest active in my first click. I click again and get the most recently active. Should it descend from oldest to newest?

    Wait a minute -- here on my desktop I see that newest is automatic when you go to a brewery homepage -- I need to check my mobile to see if that's how it's working there.
     
  28. zid

    zid Poo-Bah (1,671) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Just some potentially constructive feedback:

    - When you go to a beer style page, the list states "ordered by # reviews" - this is not appropriate with the update.
    - I get why you have activity as the default organization for lists in order to generate the impact you want, but personally I'm not a fan of this as the default. I think it's more appropriate as a sorting feature to utilize. In my eyes, recent activity is not really more useful than alpha order in a brewery beer list or number of reviews in a style list. It's too chaotic as a default... even if that's the point. I just went to the BA Munich Dunkel page and the first beer that comes up is a beer with 1 review (from today) in Virginia. I'm not sure how this will be of any use to me... and the beer scene has moved to a landscape where this is more useless than useful.
    - "Active", "inactive", and "retired" is an awkward and unintuitive sorting when taken as a group. The brewer of that Munich Dunkel above has 3 inactive beers and 1 retired beer. You've provided the way to decode this info, but you are better off having a system that doesn't need decoding.
     
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  29. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    Easy fix. Done.
    None of these terms are really new. Their use is simply a bit more normalized now and highlighted by this update. "Current" is now "Active" (who we refer to beers that aren't retired), "Inactive" is a new tab/group of beers, and "Archived" is now "Retired" (how we've always referred to discontinued beers).

    Thanks for the feedback!
     
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  30. steveh

    steveh Poo-Bah (3,243) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    @Todd -- okay, I see how it's laid out on my phone now, just wasn't as obvious as on the larger screen. :+1:
     
  31. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    The current thinking is that if a beer hasn't been rated in over two years and is appearing on a top rated beer list...it's probably no longer accessible and shouldn't be on the list.
     
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  32. Hopelessly0

    Hopelessly0 Disciple (308) May 13, 2019 California
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    @Todd Just some constructive feedback before you touch the Top 250 list. As someone who's been ticking it (244 done, and 4 are in my fridge), I probably wouldn't be too happy if it became too dynamic and always changing. If it kept changing more than it already does, I would honestly stop pursuing it and use BA much less. I'm pretty sure 99% of all the BA Top 250 tickers would agree with me here. Maybe a list of all of BA Top 250 (Retired, Inactive, Active) and a separate Active BA Top 250 would be better. For us tickers though, a more consistent/constant list would be preferable.
     
  33. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    As noted above: "will remain inactive until rated or retired," which could be a manual or an automated task (if needed). For now, it's really nice to be able to break them out. Very insightful, while also keeping the main list clean.
     
  34. gatornation

    gatornation Poo-Bah (9,635) Apr 18, 2007 Minnesota
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    Still liked the Alphabetical as the default also like the (new) last rated . We look to a brewery for reviews/ratings of beer mostly by Alpha… by phone or laptop.
     
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  35. mikeinportc

    mikeinportc Poo-Bah (1,757) Nov 4, 2015 New York
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    Just looked, & "Last Active" seems to be the default. I'd rather have "Name", alphabetically, be the default .
    Seems as though that would be easier, especially for new users, or infrequent ones making a return visit.
     
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  36. Sheppard

    Sheppard Poo-Bah (2,057) Mar 16, 2013 Massachusetts
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    You can easily get it alphabetical with one click. Todd has this as the default right now to get people to see the new feature and provide feedback. I think the ease of which one can set reset it to alphabetical (had to do this for myself a couple hours ago) makes it not a big deal.
     
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  37. DIM

    DIM Poo-Bah (3,254) Sep 28, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Looks good Todd. One thought. If I sort the list by something other than last active, navigate to specific beers page, then use the back button to get back to the list, it defaults back to last active. Would be possible to go back to the list I was last using instead? Thanks!
     
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  38. Bhubbard34

    Bhubbard34 Aspirant (262) Mar 4, 2016 Pennsylvania
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    As someone who also likes to tick the Top 250….and I agree with you, don’t like it changing too much too often…I really don’t see this update affecting the Top 250 all that much. I just went through the top 100, and even beers that haven’t been brewed in awhile or super hard to get (SR-71 for example), was rated as recently as November. With the two-year thresh hold to make a beer inactive…I don’t think this will really affect the list too much. And like Todd said…if no ratings for two years it may likely be retired, but still would need manually done…it’s not just automatic
     
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  39. ilikebeer03

    ilikebeer03 Meyvn (1,462) Oct 17, 2012 Texas
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    My two cents - appreciate the fresh ideas and attempts to keep the site from growing stagnant.

    1. I prefer the default sort to be alphabetical rather than last active.
    2. It'd be nice to see Active, Inactive, Retired, All (not married to this) and some flavor of all the beers not 'Retired'. Not really sure what you'd call this (Active springs to mind, but obviously, that's already taken under the new system.

    Anyway, just one man's opinion. Keep up the great work.
     
  40. Todd

    Todd Founder (6,564) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    It's not something that I can specifically support at the moment, but on my macOS/Safari combo it's keeping the sorting when I go back.
     
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