mash tun too small, ideas?

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  1. monkeybeerbelly

    monkeybeerbelly Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012 New York

    So i have a 5 gallon mash tun and as a last moment decision in my LHBS i changed the recipe to a bigger one, without thinking about mash size.
    so now i have 15.5 lbs of grain and a 5 gallon mash tun.
    What can i do to make this work?
    Possibly split the mash and mash in my HLT? but that would affect sparging.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated so my brewday on sunday will work out.
    thanks
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You could mash thick. A hair under 1 qt per lb should make it fit.
     
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  3. monkeybeerbelly

    monkeybeerbelly Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012 New York

    thats the obvious answer, i believe.
    how will that affect the rest of the process? will i need to sparge with more water? how will that affect my OG?
     
  4. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yes, you'll need to sparge with more water.
    Mashing thickness (within reason), in and of itself, shouldn't affect your efficiency dramatically. But mashing a bigger grain bill in general will, because after you've collected your normal pre-boil volume, there's more wort left in the grains than with a smaller grain bill. So you need to account for that, regardless of your mash thickness.
     
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  5. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    The alternative obvious choice is to do two consecutive mashes. Will take an extra hour or less, depending on how long you feel you need to mash.
     
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  6. monkeybeerbelly

    monkeybeerbelly Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012 New York

    Which calculator do you recommend to calculate exactly what my mash and sparge water will be needed?
    Im anxious to mash so thick, what can i do to avoid a stuck sparge, or is the 1 to 1 ratio thin enough to not be worried?
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I'd recommend BrewCipher. But I'm biased.

    I have never noticed a correlation between mash thickness and stuck first runnings. There could be one theoretically, but I would not be overly concerned about it. If it gets stuck, re-stir and restart.
     
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  8. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Thick mash and double batch sparge will get you what you want. And, you only need to mash once. The second two additions are just rinsing. Use 0.9 qt/lb for the mash, so that's like 3.5 gallons, the grains hold onto 0.1 gal/lb forever that you won't get back, so you'll lose about 1.5 gallons of that and be left with 2 gallons first runnings, so if you want a 5.5 gallon batch or whatever, you need an extra gallon for the boil, so that's 6.5 gallons, plus throw in another 2-3 quarts for trub and hop losses so that's 7 gallons, minus 2 gallons you got from first runnings leaves you 5 gallons more that you need from your sparges, so 5/2 = about 2.5 gallons per sparge. That's how to do it.
     
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  9. monkeybeerbelly

    monkeybeerbelly Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012 New York

    thanks man, that was super helpul!
     
  10. MarriedAtGI

    MarriedAtGI Zealot (569) Feb 26, 2013 Illinois

    2.5 gallons of sparge might not fit with only 2 gallons of first runnings coming out of a nearly maxed out mash. Be ready to fit about a quart or two less and then add water to the kettle to reach desired pre-boil volume.
     
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  11. MCDForm

    MCDForm Initiate (0) Oct 13, 2010 California

    Not sure of your recipe but you could steep the grains that don't need mashing separately and add them to the kettle. Depending on what you're brewing it could buy you enough space in the mash tun.
     
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  12. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Excellent point, it would be very tight and you might have to add more water later if it won't fit in the mash tun.
     
  13. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    buy a 40 qt cooler....you won't regret it
     
  14. monkeybeerbelly

    monkeybeerbelly Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2012 New York

    just an update. brewed last night and mashed just under a quart per pound as per @VikeMan sage advice and basically just did a double sparge to make up boil volume. hit my OG spot on.
    thanks for the help everybody
     
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