Hello all, I need a bit of help. First let me say I already know I should have waited to start tradding till my beer came in the mail. So I have seven trades but I just excepted for the most recent release of a deal with the devil. I got to box sets and two cases of double Oak. So far I received notification that a box has been damaged and thrown away. Question is I now only have about eight bottles left to trade. What traits do I honor the first ones that message me when the trade was first posted or the first excepted trade?
Having a hard time understanding this situation. Who was sending the damaged beer, another trader or beer you purchased that is being shipped to you ? You have 7 trades lined up which included the damaged beer? Have any of these people sent you beer yet?
I sent the beer to myself from Anchorage Alaska to my home. 13 beers from one box was apparently damaged 11 in a different box are still on the way. 7 trades are lined up for that beer that should be here on Monday. I sent messages to all participants to tell them trade is on hold. No one has sent beer yet. Need to know what trades to honor. Who messaged first or who finalized trade with first.
Calculate the current secondary of each trade you have lined up, put them in order of highest rank and give those people priority of who gets to consummate the trade.
Honestly I would just go with the trades you are most excited about. Trades including beers that are a longtime want or highest on your priority. It sucks that some people will not be making a trade with you, but it's a legit reason to halt a trade. People will understand. Sucks that you lost several hundred dollars to that mishap. 13 beers in one box? were you confidant in your packing or did you make a mistake? Justin
Another idea, since some of the bottles broke and are no longer in existence, the overall bottle count has gone down. Secondary value of these has risen, go back to your trading partners and tell them they need to up their offer as their previous offer is no longer sufficient due to secondary market value change.
First, your story is pretty garbled, but let me take a shot. It sounds like you have eight bottles for trade & seven trades lined up. What's the problem? Are some of the trades for multiple bottles? If the issue is something else, I'd suggest outlining it more clearly.
Hey appreciate the advice here guys. @jrnyc @montman @maximum12 thanks for taking your personal biases and bringing them here really cool.
I'd honor the trades that were first worked out, but that's just me. I'd also probably send 'apology' box of some local distro beers to the ones that I won't be able to honor trades with. I've done this in the past and people are pretty understanding. Just be honest, explain your reason and make up for the mistake.
I am a little confused. So, were you at the release yourself? If so, why not just check a bag with all the bottles? I would imagine shipping to/from Alaska would have to be as expensive as checking a whole bag of just well packed alcohol? Or maybe this is over some type of limit? Not trying to rub salt in the wound. Sucks that you lost bottles, it just would have scared me with how expensive those were to have shipped them. I know nothing about the ADWTD release. I suppose part of my question is out of ignorance - I have been wondering how so many people not listed as from Alaska on BA have so many bottles/sets for trade. Seems unlikely so many people happened to be in Anchorage for the release. (Or maybe I have grossly underestimated the wealth/ability of the random BA to fly to Alaska for a beer release?)
I was able to bike to the release. Well over 2/3 of the people were from out of state that had traveled specifically for the release.
The Dangers of Pre-trades. I would honor every commitment possible even if that means shorting yourself. Looks like you’ve got 4 open trades. I’d fulfill those first since you may be already committed.
Uh, what? All I said was your post was unclear & suggested a solution based on my understanding of what were less than clearly worded posts. And the post by @jrnyc was funny. If you can't laugh at yourself, you're going to find interneting very difficult, son. Good luck with your trading career.
Order of agreed upon trades seems appropriate. Also, as @eifster82 suggested apology boxes would be nice for the trades that go unfulfilled. Seems "the devil" has come to collect on the deal you made to get two box sets.
And my responses were inspired by his posts on this thread: https://www.beeradvocate.com/commun...ary-become-acceptable-trade-etiquette.543452/ Live by the sword, die by the sword.
Make sure your partners cover your shipping and travel costs too, by the way - that's totally acceptable. Mine just might be as well.
Always fulfill the trades you committed to in the order in which they were committed. If all of your trade partners knew that the bottles were being shipped to you, prior to you and them committed to the trade, the risks or pre-trading were known. To me, it's acceptable to cancel those trades you can't fulfill due to loss of bottles as long as bottles don't pop up at a later time for trade, here or elsewhere, looking for better deals.
@TravisMason can you also elaborate on the packaging of the damaged box? We all know damaged boxes are sometimes completely out of our control, but I would be concerned trading with someone that just lost such a valuable box.
I know you are joking, but this guy literally offered me 2:3 ratio on these beers and then later that same day changed to 3:7 so this is probably not that far off from the truth. I said no thank you and am very glad I did after hearing this. Also, bad form in my opinion to not make it clear to potential traders that you don't actually have the beers you are trading in hand. Even if you're sending to yourself you should make other traders aware as things like this can happen.
