Site Retired beers that aren't

Discussion in 'Support & Suggestions' started by Thomas_Wikman, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. Thomas_Wikman

    Thomas_Wikman Champion (872) Jan 8, 2016 Texas
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    Quite often when I want to review a beer it says that the beer is "retired no longer brewed", and the note may be several years old. Yet, on the beer label on the bottle that I am drinking from it says it was bottled last month. Sometimes I make a comment under the update section.

    I am wondering, what "evidence" is needed for the update to happen? Or is it perhaps better to add a new beer with the same name? I am asking about the latter because the 2013 release may be quite different from the 2017 release.
     
  2. Wasatch

    Wasatch Poo-Bah (5,197) Jun 8, 2005 Colorado
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    Recently, I've had it happen to me twice.

    Cheers!
     
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  3. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (1,576) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Don't add a new one please. Simply submit an update, and select type "Not retired (still brewed)" and explain what tells you that - bottle, website, etc. I've done this many times. Ideally you can include a link that shows it on the brewery website.
     
  4. Tripel_Threat

    Tripel_Threat Poo-Bah (1,698) Jun 29, 2014 Michigan
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    @bbktd is right. Unless it's a specific vintage, like Sierra Nevada's Oktoberfest collaborations each year.

    Usually I find a beer has been listed as retired only because it hasn't been reviewed in a while, or only has a handful of reviews, not because the brewer has indicated it. I don't know the algorithm that determines the status.
     
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  5. JamFuel

    JamFuel Poo-Bah (1,535) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    I think it's based on time, when you choose Limited (brewed once) when you add the beer. After a set amount of time it goes to retired. I could be wrong, though! I think when adding beer, unless you know for certain a beer is a one-off, put it as Rotating.
     
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  6. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (1,576) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    It is based on time, but I couldn't find the post from when an administrator said how it worked.
     
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  7. JamFuel

    JamFuel Poo-Bah (1,535) Mar 26, 2009 Sweden
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    Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read it somewhere...
     
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  8. macrosmatic

    macrosmatic Poo-Bah (2,016) Mar 9, 2006 Florida
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    I'm fairly certain @Todd has said that if a beer is entered as Limited (Brewed Once), the system automatically retires it after one year.

    @Thomas_Wikman - I would echo what has been said on here. Please don't enter it again. You can review a beer even if it's still marked as "Retired", and just submit an update to get it marked as Active again. IME, it's one of the Update Requests that gets handled the fastest anyway.
     
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  9. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,551) Aug 23, 1996 California
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  10. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Site Editor (6,363) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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  11. Todd

    Todd Founder (5,551) Aug 23, 1996 California
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    No. Only beers tagged as limited.
     
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  12. Thomas_Wikman

    Thomas_Wikman Champion (872) Jan 8, 2016 Texas
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    OK thank you everyone for your help.
     
  13. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Defender (689) Apr 21, 2014 Ontario (Canada)
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    Unfortunately, there are some lazy users who seem to add all new beers as "limited."

    When breweries can "own" their pages I am hoping this will diminish as a problem.
     
  14. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (1,576) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    When adding new beers there is quite often no information to indicate whether it is year-round, seasonal, rotating, or limited (one-time). Brewers, particularly smaller ones, are probably playing it by ear before deciding. If you are adding beers you have to put something, and limited is the lowest common denominator.
     
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  15. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Poo-Bah (9,023) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I don't see the logic in limited being the lowest common denominator. If "brewers... are probably playing it by ear..." then they are obviously considering bringing it back out at some time which would warrant a listing of "rotating"; and unless the label was specifically marked as "limited" I'd imagine it was anything but "limited". Given that it's a selling point, why would a limited beer not be marked as such? It's just my opinion, but for me "limited" would be the last option I'd choose unless I knew it to be true, especially given that it's the only option that then "retires" beers in the system later on.
     
  16. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Defender (689) Apr 21, 2014 Ontario (Canada)
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    Agree. I always default to "rotating" if there is any uncertainty. It doesn't automatically retire beers that end up being brewed again, doesn't affect the lists that so many users enjoy and work with, and doesn't elicit the requests for changes to the beers' status that an erroneous "limited" designation does.

    I'm hoping that eventually brewers will take over this aspect of the site so that users aren't left to guess. All the errors of this type, wrong style, no description, etc. will be a thing of the past.
     
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  17. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Site Editor (6,363) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    It would be great if that were the case but in the mean time just keep submitting the updates and the Site Editors will keep processing the requests for updates.
     
  18. bbtkd

    bbtkd Poo-Bah (1,576) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    If they come out with a beer and don't say anything about future production, you don't know any more than it came out that once. You have no idea if they ever plan to make it again because they haven't called it seasonal, rotating, or year-round. If you call it anything more than one-time, you are speculating.
     
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  19. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,334) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    It's not like a beer can't come out of retirement. :wink:
    I use the update option all of the time.
     
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  20. shelby415

    shelby415 Defender (616) Oct 10, 2011 Oregon

    Personally, I feel like the site editors are so quick and efficient with the updates that it's almost a non-issue. If you run across a beer you know is rotating, then they'll fix it.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I find it just as frustrating to visit a brewery page (often a place I want to visit or look for beers from) to find over 100 beers on their active list, most of which haven't been brewed in forever. Not sure what the benefit of that is. That's why I like dbrauneis idea of an automatic retiring after a couple years without a review. That would be cool if it could be done.

    Might not be a good idea for International beers, though, which barely get reviewed at all.
     
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  21. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Poo-Bah (5,334) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Too right! My hat's off to them!!
     
  22. drtth

    drtth Poo-Bah (3,244) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania

    Yeah, I've noticed that build up before. But I've also found that if I've some sort of evidence that the brewery is no longer brewing the beer I could successfuly bring it to the attention of the mods and they could retire that beer.
     
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