SMASH suggestions

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  1. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    hi Guys,
    Over the next few months I want to do a few Smash IPAs.
    1. What hops have flavor and aroma most different from each other. For example I don't wanna do a Cascade and a Centennial that are too close to each other. Could you give me 2 or 3 hops that have distinguished characters.

    2. How much of a difference will 2 row, vienna and marris otter make? i can buy 2 row for 99cents, but the other 2 costs me $1.49 :-(

    For all my brews I will use old school WLP001.

    Thanks.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe something like Centennial, Simcoe, and Mosaic, assuming you want to stick with american hops.

    In a SMaSH beer, I'd say they'd be pretty different. Or are you asking which would be the best malt if you want to evaluate hops?
     
  3. MrOH

    MrOH Grand Pooh-Bah (3,995) Jul 5, 2010 Virginia
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    1. I'd definitely try out some NZ hops. An IPA blasted with German hops or the American appropriations would be a nice change of pace, and something I try to do once a year.
    2. I agree with VikeMan, in a SMaSH, they'll make their presence known. Don't overlook Pilsner malt, either. Or maybe even 100% wheat or rye, just make sure you use a lot of rice hulls.
     
  4. Hanglow

    Hanglow Pooh-Bah (2,051) Feb 18, 2012 Scotland
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    Sorachi Ace is pretty unique. Although I think it would be quite easy to overdo it. I did a pale ale with it an not sure I'd want more intense flavour from those hops on their own . ymmv

    You could try one of the more pungent UK hops like Admiral or Pioneer if you can lay your hands on them

    And the NZ ones are all winners
     
  5. michaeltrego

    michaeltrego Crusader (447) May 21, 2004 New Hampshire

    I'd vote for Mosaic, Citra and Galaxy (or Equinox). If your primary goal is to evaluate the hop differences, you might consider using something similar to the "Hop 2 It" malt bill rather than a single malt, e.g. roughly 75% 2-Row, 15% Maris Otter, 10% Crystal 20. If you want to stick to one malt from those 3, I would prefer to drink a smash made with Maris Otter due to the fuller flavor profile.
     
  6. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    No it doesn't need to be American. I'm not a patriot. jk.
    Although at the end of the day it comes down to what my local brew store has in stock.

    So lets say I do 2 row with Citra, Vienna with Simcoe, and Maris Otter with Galaxy, I will get 3 Very Different beer?

    The objective here is to stick with simple recipe, and yet enjoying different beers each time. One thing forgot to mention, i will dry hop.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Definitely different beers. But more difficult to determine exactly what came from the malt and what came from the hops, to an extent. (But it sounds like comparison is not the goal.)
     
  8. FATC1TY

    FATC1TY Pooh-Bah (2,564) Feb 12, 2012 Georgia
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    I'd actually try something like Pilsner malt as well.

    I like to layer in pilsner malt with my other base malts. Lightens it up a bit, and gives a crisp background, IMO.

    Anyways- try a Pilsner malt, and a new german hop, like mandarina bavaria.. I bet it'll blow your socks off.
     
  9. wspscott

    wspscott Pooh-Bah (1,958) May 25, 2006 Kentucky
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    Are you trying to learn something with these beers or just get something different? As @VikeMan said, you will get very different beers with these combinations. Why not pick one malt (Marris Otter or Golden Promise are both great malts) and then vary the hops? Goldings, Saaz, Centennial will get you very different beers even with the same IBUs. You can also try a couple different yeasts as well (for example WY1028 vs 1056 vs 1968 or Windsor vs US05 for dry yeast).
     
  10. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    I'm a fan of both Citra and Galaxy, but I think they are very very similar. I'd choose one and go with a classic like Centennial instead of the other. Just my 2ยข
     
  11. gjoker321

    gjoker321 Initiate (0) Dec 26, 2007 Florida

    Maris Otter is a huge difference from the others in my book but can only be appreciated in a SMSH beer.
     
  12. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    You should do a simcoe smash IPA if you haven't already. I did. It came out great. 4.5oz hops with about 4 of it in the last 5 or less minutes.

    I also agree with the maris otter smash idea. It handles a majorly under-hopped as well as a heavily hopped beer and maintains character. if you're gonna west-coast IPA it with a single hop, try a fruity one. If you're gonna mellow or English hop hit, make it a C-hop. I personally think maris otter shines most with a low to moderate dose of whatever hops you choose (willamette being my choice, fuggles 2nd, typically 4-5oz of each total, assuming their AA% is in the fives or so). But otherwise try it and see which way you like it best.

    Pilsner malt makes a great smash too. Relish the 90 minute boil. Go light at 90. Blast it at FO.
     
  13. Adirondack47

    Adirondack47 Initiate (0) Dec 25, 2013 New York

    Having never brewed with Maris Otter, Im intrigued by it; what does it offer over say a common American 2-row brewers malt?

    Has anyone done a SMaSH with either Azzaca or Equinox? I have heard good things about both and Im thinking that one or both of those will be my first SMaSH experiment.
     
  14. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    Personality. :sunglasses:
     
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  15. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    Relevant: http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/9139/128415/
    I had this (german IPA) not too long ago and it was really nice
     
  16. Bwhamon

    Bwhamon Initiate (0) Aug 29, 2014 Kentucky

    Check out some other threads about single hop brews. I have heard good things about MO and citra SMaSH but have never tried it. I am bottling my Munich/Citra SMaSH today. Looking forward to trying it. Only my second brew, so I hope I didn't screw it up. My first was not smash, but was all cascade. Really good but I should have increased the dry hops/late additions for better nose. Good luck.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/poll-favorite-single-hop.7044/
    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/single-hop-pale-ale.220454/
     
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  17. kfkehua

    kfkehua Initiate (0) Oct 29, 2009 Canada (ON)

    Seeing how everyone is bragging about Maris Otter, I will definitely give it a shot. I will make that my first batch.
    While comparison is not my main goal here, it doesn't hurt while I'm at it.
    What I'll do is for each batch I'll bottle a six pack, and keg the rest. So by the end of my SMaSH journey, I will have different beers to compare. But one thing is that reading from place to place, it is said that IPAs and Hops fade way very quickly, will the bottle quality be still acceptable after 3-4 months?
     
  18. pumahunter

    pumahunter Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2014 Colorado

    I'm gonna do a vienna/citra smash soon, and a munich/simcoe smash somewhere down the road...

    maybe throw mosaic into consideration, love that one...
     
  19. BuckettOfBeer

    BuckettOfBeer Zealot (506) Mar 19, 2010 Minnesota

    I'm sure it will still taste fine. But it will definitely be different than a bottle that is a month or less old.
     
  20. AlCaponeJunior

    AlCaponeJunior Grand Pooh-Bah (3,452) May 21, 2010 Texas
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    it'll be fine. Probably a bit less hoppy, but any supposed indication that it will suck is simply wrong.
     
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