So I want to do a NE IPA ...

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  1. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    So I'm not planning to upgrade my beginner equipment anytime soon. Just want to stick with my 4 gallon kettle and 6.5 gallon primary fermentor bucket as my main equip. I do have access to a 7.5 gallon boil kettle that a friend can loan me for the day if needed something bigger. Regardless of equipment requirements, I'm looking to make no more than 5 gallons of beer volume into the bottling bucket/ bottled volume.

    What is my best bet to make a NE IPA/Pale Ale (or not) with this equipment setup? I've been reading alot of various recipes and got some consitent info. on malts to use (American Pale 2 row as primary) and hop options (Galaxy, Citra, Mosiac primarily for end of boil and dry hopping) and yeast (either Conan or London 111). Maybe this isn't a style that turns out so well without going into full grain (and thus all the extra equip. requirements).
     
  2. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    FWIW, I end up with ~8.5 gallons pre-boil for my NE IPA's... I end up with about 7.5-gallons post-boil, then about 1 to 1.5gal lost to trub and hop loss... So into the fermenter, maybe 6 gallons usually...

    Then after the dry hop (~usually around 8-10oz total), I get my 5-gallon into the keg.

    Of course, it all depends on your specific recipe and everything. If you hop lighter, a 7.5gallon kettle will likely net about 4-5gallons into the keg.
     
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  3. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    I currently don't have a keg setup but still plan to bottle. So the 7.5 gallon kettle could work? Is that all grain or a BIAB you do or what brew process are you doing yours with? I plan to talk to the guys at my homebrew store as well, but I always like to get input from experienced home brewers here, just to validate what the store guys might be telling me (ensure they aren't just trying to steer me into a direction to spend more money).
     
  4. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    Sorry, all grain brewing! Are you doing BIAB currently?
     
  5. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    No, still on malt extract. I need to start a new thread on some questions regarding a malt extract Zombie Dust recipe (just bought ingredents), but if anyone still wants to chime in with malt extract or BIAB options for NE IPA brewing, please add, as myself or others could refer back for future reference. I googled and read for hours today and didn't find much on the web on homebrewing NE IPAs with extract or BIAB options.
     
  6. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    I tried 2 batches of NEIPA with extract. One turned out As an OK IPA, but not the juice bomb I was looking for. The other was very dark because of the extract. For the extract, don't let it boil for 60 mins as this will deeply darken the color of your finished product. Putting the extract in with 10mins left in the boil will suffice to desolve it.

    How do you dryhop? Oxidization will also darken the beer and ruin the juiciness of the hops. Since NEIPAs and Zombie Dust is all about hip quality, this is an important part of the process.

    I just dryhopped my first NEIPA BIAB all grain recipe and will be bottling in a couple days. My kettle is 10 gallons and I was able to BIAB with 10lbs of grain in 5 gallons of water and then sparge with 2.5 gallons. I also used some corn sugar (I think 1 lb iirc) to hit my desired OG.
     
  7. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    The crowd sourced Averagely Perfect Northeast IPA recipe includes a partial mash option.
     
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  8. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    I'm wondering about pH of your wort as the true culprit of the darkening here (although it would be a combo of high pH & melanoidin rxns in the boil) …wondering if you should be adding some lactic or phosphoric acid with the extract to bring the pH down since the extract is already coming with its own set of ions, then your water is adding a whole nother set of ions. pH meter with acid or using RO or distilled water may be the key to your success here if brewing light colored beers with extract.
    The same beer can go from straw colored to a muddy copper colored when the pH goes from 4 up to like 6...
     
  9. checktherhyme

    checktherhyme Savant (1,036) Apr 8, 2008 Washington

    I have seen this exact same thing. I have to add acidulated malt to almost every pale beer I make.
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    You may have seen adjunct grains like flaked oats or wheat in some recipes, which are used best with all-grain or partial mash techniques. Otherwise, there is nothing in this style that necessarily precludes the use of extract, and nothing that prohibits scaling a recipe to your equipment profile.
     
  11. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    My NEIPA has no oats. Just adjust your water to a Cl:SO4 ratio to 1.25. I added CaCl2 and Gypsum to get that mouth feel. Also whirlpool the hell out of it. I used 10ml hopshot to bitter (not much wort is lost with hopshot since you don't have hops soaking up the sweet wort) and everything else is whirlpooled (6oz). dry hop during primary but after peak fermentation. And another dry hop addition once ferrmentation is about done. The last dry hop being for only 4-5 days. I use London Ale III
     
  12. DavidlovesCBC

    DavidlovesCBC Initiate (0) Jan 25, 2014 Florida

    In my experience adding lme or Dme early in the boil gives me a darker than anticipated beer. I than added the extract late in the boil (15min) and it stayed light
     
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