Sterilize a 5L Flask

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  1. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    So recently I used my 5L flask to step up some dregs that I harvested from a wild ale. I am going to need to use my 5L flask tonight to make my Lager starter. What is the most effective way I can sterilize this to ensure none of the bugs that were in there will taint my lager yeast?
     
  2. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    Fill it up with water and boil. Very few things can survive that. And the things that can, would likely not have been able to survive the acidity of a lambic.
     
  3. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I have an electric glass top stove, would I be safe to boil directly on that?
     
  4. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    Maybe someone with a electric stove can chime in. I have a gas one, so I’m not sure.
    Personally, I wouldn’t. Electric elements have hot spots. I’ve popped a flask before, so I’m extra cautious with them.

    I would just put it in a pot with a little water Dutch oven style. Or boil it in your kettle. Or put it in the oven. More that one way to skin that cat!

    Fwiw, I make all my yeast starters on the stovetop. Less work and safer that way. I just use a nice low flame.
     
  5. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I did a little searching and found mixed views. @jbakajust1 has reported that it works fine for him.

    But then, why not boil the starter in a metal pan and then pour it into the flask? (I guess that's what @JohnnyChicago is suggesting.) If you're concerned you could sanitize the flask beforehand, although the boiling wort should kill anything it touches.
     
  6. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    I mix my water, dme, yeast nutrient, stirbar, and a little fermcap s in the flask, and boil it all together right on the stove with a flap of aluminum foil loosely over the top for 15 minutes. Then put it in the fridge to cool and add the yeast.
     
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  7. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    I'm not talking about making a starter, I'm talking about sterilizing the flask. I have canned wort so no need to make any. I just used a mixed wild culture in my 5L flask 2 weeks ago and I'm trying to make sure those bugs don't get in my lager yeast. I was just trying to find out some methods of sterilizing it before I use it again. I know boiling is the obvious, but didn't know if there were any other methods
     
  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Boiling the flask in a pot is probably the safest way to go
     
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  9. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Ah, gotcha. Well, it seems plenty of people use their flasks on glass electric stovetops with no issue, so maybe that will work. You could also boil water in a pot and then pour it into the flask (in a sink or something). The water will retain its heat long enough to kill anything it touches, so if you fill the flask to its brim you should be okay. I would still sanitize it before using, but that would just be to kill anything that had drifted into it in the interim.

    Edit: On second thought I would just fill it to the brim with boiling water (letting a little spill over the edges so the brim itself is sterilized), empty it, and cover it with foil. I might wipe the rim with vodka (or rum or whatever) a few seconds before adding the starter wort and yeast. I wouldn't bother sanitizing it if I followed this procedure.
     
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  10. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I would just do the water and stove top boil. I have a big ass pressure cooker that I use to sterilize and I can't fit the 5L in there. Boil for 25 minutes, let rest with the foil intact until the following morning, then do it again.
     
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  11. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    That's what I was thinking I might try and do, was boil water then pour it in there. I guess worst case is my pilsner will turn funky lol
     
  12. TooHopTooHandle

    TooHopTooHandle Initiate (0) Dec 20, 2016 New York

    Just thought I would post back with an update incase anyone was ever wondering about this. So I decided to take my 12qt stainless steel pot that I have and put that on the electric stove and then put my 5L flask full of water inside the pot for a more even heat distribution and incase if the flask broke it would catch the water. This worked very well, but it did take about 30minutes for a roaring boil to start. I did not put any water in the pot.
     
  13. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    This seems sensible. A word of warning: do not do this with a teflon pan. When it overheats it will do all kinds of dangerous stuff (release poisonous fumes, smoke, etc.). A stainless pan should be fine, but keep an eye on it because it will get hotter than usual.
     
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  14. billandsuz

    billandsuz Pooh-Bah (2,097) Sep 1, 2004 New York
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    If you want to avoid heat you can also use vodka.

    Swirl the alcohol until it coats all surfaces. Then drain. Then flame the remaining volatile alcohol. A lighter over the top of the flask will burn it off and sterilize the glass.

    Cheers.
     
  15. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    Hmmm, I did not realize the stirbar could be boiled. Been making starters for years and never did that.
    BTW, I place flask directly on a flat top electric range. It works, but you need to be careful. Don't increase heat too quickly, and frequently swirl to prevent DME from scorching.
     
  16. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    Yeah, I believe it’s just a piece of magnetic material coated in Teflon. Lab equipment like stirbars get loads more abuse in a lab than we hit them with. :grin:

    Interestingly, the one time I broke a flask it was BECAUSE I was swirling...weird.
     
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  17. fuzzbalz

    fuzzbalz Pundit (953) Apr 13, 2002 Georgia

    Should be able to put in oven to sterilize, you can google what temp/time. If I had to guess I'd say 300 degrees maybe 15-20 min?
     
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  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,635) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    More like 350 F for one hour. It is in Palmer’s Book, so check the time and temps.
     
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  19. prg

    prg Devotee (326) Apr 13, 2016 Indiana

    I have boiled water in a glass flask directly on my glass top stove many times without issue. The only time I had a failure.... I spilled a beer on top of the stove.... when the cold beer hit the side of the hot glass, all was lost!
     
  20. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    You can always rinse with a bleach solution too...this will kill practically any bugs easily. You just need to make sure you rinse the flask REALLY well so there's no residual chlorines left to cause off flavors in your final beer.
     
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