Sunshine Pils goes year round

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  1. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    This is good news. Sunshine is an excellent Pils by any standard. It would have been even better news a few years ago when there were fewer good Pilsners around.
     
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  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    This was discussed a bit in another thread. I posted:

    "Sunshine Pils (newly added year round)"

    Hmm, that is an interesting development. Normally I would just say "Woo-Hoo!" but I am wondering if there is enough demand for this beer year round?

    I participate weekly in the New Beer Sunday thread and last summer I had a 'series' I labeled as the "Summer of Pilsner". Recently I did the same with the label of "Winter of Pilsners". There is a surprising amount of new Pilsners (new to me beers) out there. Lots of competition for a beer style which is not particularly popular with the beer geek (BA) crowd.

    Just within the context of the local (SEPA) market, Sunshine Pils competes with beers like Stoudts Pils. Victory Prima Pils, Sly Fox Pikeland Pils, Neshaminy Creek Trauger Pils, Double Nickel Pilsner (and I am sure I am forgetting some).

    I sure hope that year-round Sunshine Pils is a success since I really like that beer. I used to buy a 12-pack of cans every spring when it first came out.

    Cheers!

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/troeegs-anthology-summer-sampler.497112/#post-5333214
     
  3. BeastOfTheNortheast

    BeastOfTheNortheast Pooh-Bah (2,153) Dec 26, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Excited for this as it is such a good Pilsner.
     
  4. NeroFiddled

    NeroFiddled Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,276) Jul 8, 2002 Pennsylvania
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    I would imagine that we are still the minority. There are plenty of older people who are still getting into beer, and kids turn 21 everyday. What I find interesting is the difference in the number of beers and breweries available; and the variety of styles. I can't imagine that I'd be the same person I am today if everything available now was available to me when I first started.
     
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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    There are indications that while the style may not be too popular with beer geeks, appreciation for lagers among flavorful beer drinkers in general is taking hold and increasing in the Craft beer customer base (despite what the beer geeks like or do not like :slight_smile:).
     
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  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    We are definitely in the minority. Some Sam Adams proprietary marketing data that got discussed in a thread a few years back indicated that the majority of craft beer drinkers are folks who normally buy AALs and buy flavorful beers as a special treat. Some of the demographics auffwar that may be on the way to changing since the folks you mention increasingly are buying flavorful beers regularly.
     
  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tom, do you have a link to that thread (or the Boston Beer Company study)?

    I have asked Bill Manley a number of times how Sierra Nevada obtains feedback from the non-beer geek crowd but I never hear from him.

    Cheers!
     
  8. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I'll look, it has been quite a while. Most of the folks who can afford to pay someone to do a quality job on that type of research are not usually going to give it away to their competitors for free. That's why I was a bit surprised at the depth of the information that came out. But I did some background checking on the company that did the data collection and they definitely know what they are doing and how to do it right.
     
  9. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,616) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    Stoudts Pils is hard to find lately, so might this fit in? There are lots of pils out there, but how many are really that good?

    Prima
    Pikeland
    Stoudts (if you can find it)
    Trauger
    Sunshine
    Pivo (you can't find that anymore)
     
  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Keith, all of those beers above are consistently on the shelves of my local Wegmans affiliated beer store (KoP).

    The Firestone Walker Pivo Pils is always on the shelves but more often than not they are old (4+ months old). To my utter and pleasant surprise I 'found' one 6-pack that was fresh (bottled 02/01/17) a couple of weeks ago and I bought it (with a smile on my face). Over the past 3+ years I have only 'found' fresh Pivo Pils a handful of times (3?).

    Pivo Pils is always on tap at the Boathouse in Conshohocken.

    Cheers!

    P.S. For the first time ever I saw a 6-pack of Bell's Lager of the Lakes (Bohemian Pilsner) at my Wegmans. That beer was bottled 03/09/17); Woo-Hoo! Those beers are super fresh!! Needless to say but I bought a 6-pack of that beer.:slight_smile:
     
  11. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Unable to find that thread so it has either been deleted or was active before the move to the new servers, etc. and probably gone.

    However, what I am finding online is that the Millenials (mentioned by @NeroFiddled in his post appear to be the currently largest demographic driving craft beer consumption and they are apparently just going directly to the flavorful beers and place a high value on independence of the brewery.

    So I think that there may well have been some shifts since those data were collected on behalf of Sam Adams. This is a pretty dynamic data set.
     
  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tom, thanks for looking. I have tried several times to locate it but I too was unsuccessful. One aspect that I found intriguing by that study was the classification of the craft beer market into a number of classes: "Beer Geeks" and others. Do you know of any other marketing study where those classes are spelled out/defined?
    That very well may be. I know that the beer geek segment (e.g., BAs) are a small minority of the overall craft beer market. There are millions of folks who are buying beers like New Belgium Fat Tire, Yuengling Lager,... that are not what I would classify as the beer geek segment. It seems to me that through their numbers they have a greater impact on the craft beer industry than we beer geeks. For example, I personally do not expect Sierra Nevada Sidecar to be wildly popular with the BA crowd but I could see this beer selling well to other segments of the craft beer market.

    Cheers!
     
  13. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    No, I've not yet found anything that breaks things down to the level of Hard Core Craft Drinkers compared to the rest. (But it might be out there on one of the proprietary sites you have to pay to view.)

    I'd say that lack of breakdown to that level is quite likely to reflect what a small total impact beer geeks have on the overall marketplace. Although there may be one effect. One of the sources I'm checking on reports that the Millenials do spend time checking out crowdsourced information (e.g., the reviews on this site, the reviews on that other ratatings/review site, etc.), but are more likely to be consulting or listening to their friends first. (Which means the only way they'd be listening to most of us here is through the reviews we write.)
     
  14. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I guess I am a millennial since that is the primary source I use for making beer choices!:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
  15. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    If only it worked that way....
     
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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Pivo Pils is still available in NJ (relatively fresh Pivo? A bit harder to come by) but Pikeland Pils sort of disappeared. Sad, 'cause it'd be my "house" beer if I could find it fresh regularly.

    I'd heard that there was some "conflict" between Sly Fox and NJ craft distributor, Hunterdon, over the years and they finally parted ways, with SF signing with 3 NJ Coors/MillerCoors houses - Koehler (north), Warren - Hub City (central) and Kramer (south).

    In my region, Hub City hasn't done much (except leave a lot of old stock on the shelves) and now they've been sold to Kramer.
     
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  18. Kadonny

    Kadonny Pooh-Bah (2,616) Sep 5, 2007 Florida
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    I can't seem to find Pivo in the Wegmans I've been going to, I'll have to check at Exton and see if they have any. Plus I used to see sixtels in stock at Exton, but have not seen them in forever. Same goes for Stoudts Pils. I guess we just run in different circles Jack...haha.

    Back on topic, I need to try Sunshine again. I know years ago it was not one of my favorites as I thought it didn't have the body and mouthfeel near as good as Pikeland, Prima etc.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Keith, FWIW I think that Sunshine Pils improved when they opened their new brewery in Hershey.

    I had a discussion with a local Troegs Sales Rep at a beer festival on this topic and he agreed with me; he thought the new German built brewhouse benefited the production of Sunshine Pils.

    Cheers!
     
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