What does the Cicerone Certification Program say about "proper" glassware?

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  1. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    This question is only intellectual curiosity. I'm not planning on rushing out and buying a bunch of glass styles to nerd-out. I like my Irish Imperial pints just fine.

    But, I see plenty of glassware threads here, with most dealing with members' personal preferences.

    I was wondering... for those who have been through the Cicerone Certification Program, or have access to its training material, what is officially recommended as the "proper" glassware styles for the major / broad styles of beer? (I know there is a glassware article on this site. But, I was wondering what the Cicerone training says.)

    Some seem obvious: (but "obvious" is not necessarily "proper"...)
    Pilsener glass for pilsener beer
    Stange for Kölsch
    Weizen for Hefeweizen
    Thistle for Scottish ales
    Irish pint for Irish dry stout
    Nonic pint for English porters and ales
    Shaker pint for no beer, ever :slight_smile:

    But, what does the official training say?
     
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  2. IceAce

    IceAce Pooh-Bah (2,274) Jan 8, 2004 California
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    The Cicerone® program focuses mostly on the following, but the requirements start with the basics for the entry-level Beer Server exam and escalate with the Certified, Advanced and Master levels.

    • Selecting the proper size glass based on ABV and style. In most of these cases branded glasses are deemed most appropriate since it is obvious that this 'branded glass' will be best suited for a particular style

    • One important consideration is choosing a glass which will accompany the size collar of foam poured. This is critical for very highly carbonated beers such as Weizens and beers such as Duvel. One mistake a lot of beer drinkers make is that they feel the whole bottle needs to fit into the glass...and this is simply not the case.

    I use a glass which I feel will best showcase the style no matter the liquid capacity. When filling, I leave enough headspace in the glass to collect volatiles. While consuming I may or may not top the glass up...sometimes I'll finish a glass and pour the remainder. There is really no need to stuff a 16 oz. container into a 16 or 20 oz. glass, it's more a matter of knowing when to stop pouring. Brewmaster George Reisch is famous for saying, "The wine people have known when to stop pouring been for years." and I'm not about to admit that they may be smarter than us.
    • The shape of the glass certainly assists in presentation of beer. It's important to know and understand the historical and cultural traditions which connect certain glasses to differing styles. The Weizen glass has a large bulb at the top to display and show off the pillowy foam while many Trappist brewers love the ornate look of the classic chalice.
    Hopefully the info above answers much of your question and I'm sure others will chime in as well.

    Other topics pertaining to glassware,

    • Proper cleaning procedures for producing a beer-ready glass
    • Ensuring glassware is at the right temperature for proper pouring & presentation
    • The inherent three reasons that a Belgian glass rinser is used
    • Proper pouring of bottles (including those w/ yeast on the bottom)
    • Serving draught beer with viaual appeal and the proper release of carbonation


    Hope this helps!
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I am not a Cicerone so my best contributed value here is: paging @RobH.

    I am pretty sure that can shaped glasses are not part of the Cicerone training but it should be. Thanks to the inputs by @augiecarton I have ‘learned’ that a can shaped glass is ideal for mildly hopped beers like my homebrewed English Bitter Ale.

    It is also a fine glass to drink Gose beers!!

    @Sixpoint

    Cheers!

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  4. aasher

    aasher Grand Pooh-Bah (4,557) Jan 27, 2010 Indiana
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    American ambers are supposed to be poured into shaker pints :wink:
     
  5. Andy1010

    Andy1010 Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2016 Indiana

    My cicerone training was mostly focused on it being a beer ready(cleaned and sanitized, chilled not frozen) glass. Although from my studies and personal experience a chalice is the perfect all around glass that works with every style. The glassware tab on this site is a really good reference but I would be surprised if anyone had that kind of variety in their glassware cabinet
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I think MNAle's list perfectly illustrates the quoted point by IceAce. "Proper" can mean different things to different people. Some would define it as the glass that provides the most physically advantageous experience, and others would look at it from a cultural perspective. Not saying that the two are mutually exclusive.
     
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  7. RobH

    RobH Pundit (908) Sep 23, 2006 Maryland

    I essentially echo what IceAce wrote above.

    My personal belief is that the can shaped glass offers more of a "hey, cool, look at that -- the glass is shaped just like a can" factor than any actual function for enhancing the aroma and flavor of the beer. I agree it's a functional glass for English Bitter and Gose style beers. That said, there are other glass shapes that would do a better job showcasing the unique aroma(s) of a well crafted Gose.
     
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  8. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Rob have you conducted a side-by-side tasting of Bitter Ale with one served in a can shaped glass and the other in a Nonic Pint glass (or your preferred English Ale glass)? If not I would encourage you to do so.

    Cheers!

    Jack

    Edit: a photograph of Jack's Bitter Ale for 'motivation':

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  9. RobH

    RobH Pundit (908) Sep 23, 2006 Maryland

    Now that I have some of Jack's (your) beer, I can do such a comparison! :-)
     
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  10. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Are you new here? :wink: I have no doubt we've got upper-level beer nerds with every style glass in their cabinets.

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/show-off-your-cool-glassware.31909/

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/best-glassware-for-16oz-pours.413222/

    http://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/luigi-bormioli-beer-glasses.410759/#post-4761064

    And that's just a sample. There are plenty of other glassware threads.
     
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  11. Andy1010

    Andy1010 Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2016 Indiana

    Good point, there probably are a few lol I can't imagine storing the proper glassware for every beer style I drink. I would need more cabinets!
     
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  12. 1beerbaron

    1beerbaron Initiate (0) Mar 24, 2009 Ohio

    I've somehow managed to collect probably around 60 glasses at this point. I bet no more than 15-20 are shaker pints as well. There are a few duplicates, but not many. I haven't actually bought that many outright. At least half came from glasses when attending events (This includes almost all of the shaker pints).
     
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  13. Andy1010

    Andy1010 Initiate (0) Jan 26, 2016 Indiana

    That's awesome! If I had cabinet space I would make an attempt at collecting several styles but I just stick to the chalice
     
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