Wither Thou Goest, Glass?

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  1. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    I was fascinated by this recent article regarding the viability of recycling glass: http://lancasteronline.com/news/loc...cle_77b6c596-5203-11e7-9cfa-3f74791360b0.html

    The recyclability of glass has long been one of its strong suits, but according to the article, it is becoming less profitable & more problematic. I CAN remember, as a young lad, taking deposit glass bottles back for return, but that practice is (mostly) long gone.

    I CAN also remember, on one of several visits to the late, great Doc Ogg (@mentor), taking his recycling to the local facility in CO. There were color-coded bins for EVERYTHING! It took us a good half-hour to get it all sorted. Glass' fragility was in evidence that evening as we dumped in his screw-top bottles (the WORST!) since he could not reuse them as a homebrewer & shattering of glass was deafening.

    If one CANnot recycle glass, what is a person to do with it? Do you simply put it in with the rest of the trash & send it out? Ugh. That does not seem to me to be a viable, sustainable option. It will quickly CANtribute to the overwhelming of landfills & dump sites, especially due to its bulk & its inability to deCANpose quickly.

    The article mentions the beverage industry, especially the producers of alcohol, as being the last bastion of glass CANtainer CANsumption. This begs the Q: Would you be down with a CANplete & total shift to Al CANs?

    My dismissive maternal aunt & uncle scoffed at me as wine drinkers, saying that wine will NEVER be CANned. I simply smiled, as I am wont to do, & pulled out some Underwood CANs from Union Winery that I had recently procured in their city of D.C. Their flabbergasted looks were worth the price of admission.

    I hear the hue & cry, given the recent article on the dangers (?) of Bisphenol A (BPA), but we are all doomed to die of something, someday. Do you wish to be crushed under the mountain of spent glass bottles that your local recycler now refuses to accept?

    I leave you for the time-being, as Bro. Woody with The Order of Disorder, creator & founder of The CANQuest (tm), my stated desire to drink & review EVERY CANned beer in existence while bringing brothers & sisters into the fold of the worship of fermented malt beverages CANtained in sealed aluminum cylinders. These are glorious times, my friends, as the once-non-believers join us every day. Blessed be the CAN & its CANtents with its inherent portability & recyclability! CAN I get a "Hallelujah!" from the CANgregation?!?
     
  2. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Perhaps an alternate thread title: "Quo Vadis, Glass?"
     
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  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I suppose if glass is rejected for recycling efforts by more communities in the future this might increase the impetus for canning beer instead?

    Cheers!
     
  4. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    @JackHorzempa I wonder. Will it act as a CANNing increase impetus or will people just commingle their glass bottles with all of their other household waste? Right now, my local recycler will not accept food CANtainers as they are CANtaminated & so those definitely go in with household waste. More glass bottles in the landfills - just what we need.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Woody, when I read your message above I was about to respond that recycled glass is used for road building but then I read the linked article and it states this is no longer occurring. I wonder what the issue was in this regard.

    And yes more glass in landfills is not a good thing since glass seems to last an extremely long time (i.e., it is not biodegradable).

    Cheers!
     
  6. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    No offense Woody, but as a news curator, I think you might be a bit biased. :wink:
     
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  7. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    There is a market for clear and brown glass, no market for green, at least this is how it is in the recycling business here in NY. OTOH the real deal is most of the glass that is recyclable (i.e. no lead in the mix) goes to clean fill. While this may seem like a waste, it actually is still TONS better than using aluminum, since the raw material for glass is so abundant, and getting the raw materials and processing them for cans is so costly and ecologically damaging. And it gets increasingly moreso as we use more of it for products previously packaged in glass.
     
  8. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Perhaps, but doesn't each of us look for news pertaining to our particular interests? I am always glad to peruse the "Books" section of the Sunday paper & when I was stationed in Alameda (S. F.'s East Bay), I rarely looked at the "Travel" section of the SF ExaChron as I was happy right where I was.

    I no longer take delivery of the local daily fishwrap, but my current position as a taxi dispatcher affords me the opportunity to peruse the holdings-forth of the local journalists while on duty since we get a copy on a daily basis. It was pure happenstance that I read the aforementioned article.

    I have not the time nor the inclination to search out articles about CANned beers. I have beat the drum endlessly for over a decade. People know my stance & agree, abide, or disagree & so be it. I only Pop! my head up, ala Whack-a-Mole, when something catches my attention. I was terse in my response to the recent BPA article, but this was one that was more local and possibly indicative of a wider trend.

    My apologies, sir, but I respectfully disagree with your assessment of my curation.

    On another note, seeing that you are somewhere in NY, I must profess my eternal love for the tabloids! That, as far as I am CANcerned, is where the real journalism exists. :grinning:
     
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  9. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Cool! I will package up all of my spent glass bottles, send them to you C.O.D., no return to sender & you may do with them as you see fit or attempt to return them only to see them end up ... who knows where. Bottom line - NIMBY! :wink:
     
  10. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Clean fill is where they go in my county, maximum travel distance to the fill from the furthest collection point is 35 miles. Send em all I will be happy to drive them there myself. Full bottles preferred :slight_smile:
     
  11. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Glass is preferable in almost every case except for beer. I too am a fan of the CAN. Plastic is bad for you. Recycled plastic has to be more than twice as bad. You don't need to recycle glass you just need to keep it, wash it and and use it. For food I prefer glass. If I am freezing I will use plastic but once it's room temp I put it in glass. GLASS please and put my beer in a glass too.
     
  12. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Yer gettin' what I send you, boy'o!
     
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  13. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    And another point that I wish to touch upon: DON'T just simply put your Al CANs out in the recycling bin! I agree that the mining of bauxite is expensive, damaging & unsustainable, BUT there is enough aluminum in existence that if people would simply get it into the recycling stream, it CAN easily be reused.

    Jeez-O, man, do you realize how widely I am laughed at & ridiculed for rescuing CANs from the gutter? Al recycling prices are on the rise! $0.40/Lb currently. Yinz're throwing away $$$! Okay, it keeps us bums in business, but wouldn't you like to have some of it back? Three months for me = $15. Imagine in a large metro area. More Al back into the recycling stream = less bauxite mining. Yinz just have to do yer part.
     
  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I am not trying to spark a controversial conversation that doesn't need to be in this thread, but I just want to point out to @utopiajane that beer cans are lined with plastic.
     
  15. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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  16. utopiajane

    utopiajane Grand Pooh-Bah (3,982) Jun 11, 2013 New York
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    Really? Gosh all my phobias about plastic are about thing leeching into the food from it. In my natural state, that means unfettered and able to make a choice, I will always choose glass for my food. My fridge is full of glass bowls covered in saran. Someone once said to me that they thought that if you put the food into the plastic after it is cooled there is less chance of those harmful chemicals leeching out. I cannot say that I have that innate feeling about beer cans. Is there a difference in the material?
     
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  17. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    We are at 70% new/ 30% recycled aluminum in our aluminum products. The more we package things in aluminum that used to be packaged in glass this will never even reach 50-50, let alone all recycled material.

    Good job on the picking, I do the same always.
     
  18. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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  19. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    --->----let's ignore all that nasty stuff that goes in with mining--->---let's ignore the energy consumption with initial manufacturing --->----let's ignore the controversy with can linings---->-----let's just focus on the recycling end only---->----THEREFORE, let's conclude cans are better for the environment!

    OK.
     
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  20. montman

    montman Maven (1,444) Mar 10, 2009 Virginia
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    How is it possible that OP has not removed the "h" from his user name yet?
     
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