[BANISHED] Better Off Red
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Crux Fermentation Project
Oregon, United States
Sour - Flanders Red Ale
Ranked #56
Ranked #15,910
3.91 | pDev: 9.46%
Oct 22, 2020
Apr 30, 2014
Very Good
[BANISHED] Better Off Red[BANISHED] Better Off Red
Notes: Flanders Reds may be called the Burgundies of Belgium, but we age our take on this complex, slightly tart style in Oregon pinot noir barrels for more than 18 months. A fresh batch will batch will present spicier notes, while older versions pick up more oak and yield cherry flavors. So we blended old and new, figuring we're better off presenting this exotic mélange simultaneously.
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Photo of rodbeermunch
3.46/5  rDev -11.5%
look: 3.25 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.25 | overall: 3.5
by rodbeermunch from Nevada

Another beer from March Madness 2018. Tough to recall who brought this, nobody from Oregon was there, but a few cats from CA & WA.

Anyhoo, pours the usual caramel brown. Pretty thin beige head, not a lot of bubbles. Has the aroma of dark cherry, red grape, oak, brown malt.

Neither the taste nor the aroma had that acetic acid vinegar thing going for it like a lot of flanders do. This was cleaner even though there was a damp wood and leather feel to it throughout. Lasting impression of dark fruit to it moreso than most flanders. Doesn't quite have that quad like dark fruit bitterness so much though. Tastes stronger than most too. Middle of the road malt body. Light brett influence on the back end giving a slightly thinner finish to the body, like a small amount of black currant was used.

When looking back at the final photo lineup that week, this one finished just behind the middle spot. 65th median kind of placement that week.

Oct 22, 2020
Photo of elNopalero
4.78/5  rDev +22.3%
look: 5 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.75 | feel: 5 | overall: 5
by elNopalero from California

Bottled 6/17/2915, enjoyed December 2019.

Capped and corked. Opens silently, with no hissing or erupting. That’s encouraging, given some of my previous experiences.

Slow pour, as there’s a lot of foaming atop the golden auburn goodness filling my glass.

Some light Flanders red funk, all tart cherries and wet straw lingering around the nose, marched by the palate. It’s sharp and crisp and tartly sour and boldly effervescent and utterly delicious.

Jun 27, 2020
3.98 by BirdsandHops from Oregon on Feb 13, 2020
Photo of StonedTrippin
4.29/5  rDev +9.7%
look: 4 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.25 | overall: 4.5
by StonedTrippin from Colorado

a neat blended flanders red type, a bottle i have been saving for awhile now, 2015 edition, wax, cap, and cork. the cork totally breaks apart and dissolves as we try to pull it out, then the beer gushes slowly out all over the counter, a real hot mess of a pile of cork bits, fizzy beer, and red wax, but the juice was worth the squeeze, a really nice example of the style here, super funky, tart, and mature, and more interesting and complex than most of these! real nice head on this once the foaming settles down, fruit vinegar, red wine, pie cherries, golden raisins, red currants, and even raspberries are in the aroma, its piquant, medicinally funky, super wood forward, and about as evolved as can be, more unique fermentation profile than other wild beers ive had from these guys and in this banished series, must be a product of its age. the flavor is somewhat less malty than these usually are, at least in the conventional sense, its lighter in texture, not sweet at all, and without the heavy toasted and caramelized characteristics. tons of fruitiness to this, cherry first, generic red berries and port wine, some light brown sugar, sharp citric acidity, and some well developed almost lambic funk to it, wrapped in wood, almost a soggy boggy thing to it, dusty, some iodine, really neat fermentation profile. effervescent even after the gushing, lighter body for the style, curiously fast finishing. just a really awesome beer, i love the idea of it being a blend of old and young beer in this style, and really think its one of the best crux beers ive ever had, which is really saying a lot. i wish i did a better job with the cork, but other than that this was an awesome drinking experience! well worth ageing awhile if you are lucky enough to have a bottle!

Dec 30, 2019
3.82 by stratusjeans from Washington on Nov 29, 2018
3.89 by shelby415 from Oregon on Mar 11, 2018
Photo of Czequershuus
3.59/5  rDev -8.2%
look: 4 | smell: 3.75 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5
by Czequershuus from Minnesota

This beer pours a sunset orange-red with a smallish head. The aroma has a dankness, and a tire rubber quality, with tart cherry, graham, cracker, dried blueberry, and coconut oil. The flavor is quite sour with notes of red and dark cherries, freeze dried raspberry, dried blueberry, mild vinegar, and mild farmyard qualities. The mouthfeel is medium bodied with abundant carbonation. Overall a very nice sour with good complexity, but maybe a touch muddled in the middle.

Jan 22, 2018
4 by XicanoBeerRun from Texas on Dec 13, 2017
3.98 by UCLABrewN84 from California on Dec 09, 2017
4 by Booner818 from California on Dec 02, 2017
3.73 by addicted2thebarrel from California on Oct 16, 2017
Photo of Lone_Freighter
4/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
by Lone_Freighter from Vermont

Poured into a tulip.
The appearance was a semi-hazy burnt off orange to amber color with a slight finger's worth of white foamy head that slid off at a moderate pace. Just a concave little film of lace ran around the glass.
The aroma steered into a blend of sour to vinous cherry skin to sweet and tart wood barrel to earthy character. Crushed sweet spice and a little bit of grassiness conglomerate for a well settled sort of feel.
The flavor presented towards the sour edge throughout pulling the cherry flesh and skin in tighter and further away from it's sweet character. Wood, sweet spice and some grassiness with a light pressed green apple tartness enshrines the overall taste and followed through in the aftertaste.
The mouthfeel was about medium bodied with a nice smooth sour dryness scuttling over my tongue - no harsh grip, but not slippery, just nice all around mobility along my tongue. Carbonation felt good for a 2016 bottle (somewhat surprised it held, was it the wax seal - I'm guessing?). ABV felt as projected by the brewer. Nicely blended wood sour dry with a touch of vinous character in the finish.
Overall, really nice Flanders red ale. Would love to have again.

Oct 07, 2017
Photo of VABA
4/5  rDev +2.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 4 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
by VABA from Virginia

A- A reddish amber hue with a little head and no lacing.

S- A mild brett and oak hint.

T- The taste follows the smell, with hints of brett and oak.

M- Medium bodied crispy and smooth with decent carbonation.

O- Dry with a good balance of carbonation, good beer.

Oct 01, 2017
4.2 by Zazzi82 from Tennessee on Sep 24, 2017
Photo of Keepnitrl
3.4/5  rDev -13%
look: 3.5 | smell: 3.5 | taste: 3.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 3.25
by Keepnitrl from Washington

Definitely get a gentle hint of oak, but there appears to be an imbalance with the flavors.

Sep 16, 2017
3.79 by Pacodog26 from Vermont on Sep 14, 2017
4.31 by Superheatnsubcool from Washington on Sep 06, 2017
Photo of vfgccp
3.61/5  rDev -7.7%
look: 3.25 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.5 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.5
by vfgccp from New York

SAVOR D.C. 2017

Jul 23, 2017
3.97 by amesetz from California on Jun 09, 2017
3.75 by krdhawk from Iowa on Jan 13, 2017
4.77 by Sir_Goatman from Oregon on Dec 03, 2016
3.75 by DamienI from Washington on Nov 17, 2016
Photo of Jason
4.23/5  rDev +8.2%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.25 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4 | overall: 4.25
by Jason from Massachusetts

375ml brown bottle. Corked, capped, and waxed. Sample from the brewery.

Bit of a pop when the cork was pulled, pours a clear deep reddish amber hue with a beautiful looking off-white lace on top. Mild brett funk, vinous oak, ripe fruit, faint spice, and a ghost-like caramel in the nose. Creamy with a touch of crispness, smooth and medium bodied. Lots of wood character, oaky and mildly spicy. Vinous with some faint esters, tannins and a touch of caramel in the back. Dry for the most part, kiss of funk in the middle. Long oaky finish.

Deep and dreamy, Crux has pretty much nailed it here.

Oct 14, 2016
4.08 by Lingenbrau from Oregon on Jul 14, 2016
3.92 by jason_nwx from Oregon on Jun 28, 2016
Photo of LonePeakHomeBrewery
2.72/5  rDev -30.4%
look: 2.5 | smell: 3 | taste: 2.5 | feel: 3 | overall: 2.75
by LonePeakHomeBrewery from Utah

I drank a June 15 production in June 16 and found that for as many Flemish Red Ales that I tried over the years that the beer did not seem to fall within the style. The beer was more blonde with little red, light in feel, lacked any fruitiness, and a bit tart. Overall it tasted more like a Geuze than a Flemish Red Ales. I would try second bottle only as measure to confirm my first.

Jun 05, 2016
4.12 by NWHopinator from Oregon on Jun 04, 2016
Photo of OrestesMethuon
4.34/5  rDev +11%
look: 4.25 | smell: 4.5 | taste: 4.25 | feel: 4.5 | overall: 4.25
by OrestesMethuon from Montana

A very good Flemish Red, with its marks buoyed by the fact that it achieves the goal it sets out for itself. Lovely bottle, with wax seal hiding bottle-cap hiding cork; even lovelier auburn color, with tight circlets of tiny bubbles agitating flecks of sediment, and a nice, boisterous, well-retained milk-ecru head lofting atop. But it isn't just the color that speaks to this ale's Burgundian inflections: it smells not just woody, but has that wet-herb forest-floor funk of a grand Pinot, with hints of grape must—which nevertheless doesn't overwhelm the dry, lacto-bacilius and leathery brettanomyces aromas that firmly announce this is a north-continent sour.

Likewise, the flavors reside in the nice Euler-intersection of "true to style" and "novel inflections". It smacks first of mild, red-malted pucker, with a firm mix of tart and woody-sweet. As Better Off Red moves across the palate, the woody elements intensify, but are softened and enlivened a flavor I can only describe as "wine in fermentation-bins"—a much lovelier taste than one might assume, working excellent alongside the more expected Flemish red ale qualities (barn-floor, bacterial bite, saddle). Finally—thanks again to the Burgundy barrels—there's an unexpectedly-smooth finish, with hints of vanilla and clove and even, in the face of the sour's core elements, a suggestion of bananas-foster.

A complex, completely pleasing experiment that I believe soundly accomplishes what it set out to do.

May 20, 2016
4.24 by Huhzubendah from District of Columbia on May 02, 2016
4.87 by unoriginal from Colorado on Apr 20, 2016
4 by Goatdavemac from North Carolina on Apr 07, 2016
3.99 by drone from Oregon on Feb 22, 2016
Photo of Tele
3.9/5  rDev -0.3%
look: 4 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 4 | overall: 4
by Tele from California

Serving Type: Bottle (Dated 6.17.15)
Consumed: 2.12.16

A: 4 Pours a semi-clear, reddish-gold amber (strange color). It has a bunch of floaties, some of which stick to the light tan head, which dissipates quickly and leaves very little lace.

S: 4 Pretty mild of funk, sweet and tart cherries, and some oak. Nice smelling but really mild without a whole lot going on.

T: 3.75 Flavors are a bit more interesting, starting off with a vinous quality before moving into medicinal cherry, funk, and very mild tartness. In fact, it’s almost more sweet than it is tart. Everything is pretty nice flavor-wise, but then it all disappears and becomes very watery with almost no finish.

M: 4 Again, pretty watery with mild carb. Body is okay at least.

O: 4 First time having a “sour” from Crux. I’ve liked their beers in the past, especially half hitch, but this one is pretty unremarkable.

Feb 13, 2016
4.28 by sweemzander from Illinois on Jan 29, 2016
Photo of parothead310
3.77/5  rDev -3.6%
look: 3.5 | smell: 4 | taste: 3.75 | feel: 3.5 | overall: 3.75
by parothead310 from Colorado

Poured from a waxed and corked bottle to a 12oz snifter. A few quick disappearing co2 bubbles. Poured an Amber color. Smells of oak, plums, and a hint of cherry. Highly carbonated with a strong oak and fruity flavor up front but the carbonation kills any lingering fruity notes. Not overly sour but not bland. Finishes tart and dry. Another beer from Crux that puts a smile on my face.

Jan 26, 2016
4.17 by NJB145 from Michigan on Jan 23, 2016
4.55 by GClarkage from California on Nov 20, 2015
4.13 by CheapBeerBuzz from California on Nov 17, 2015
4.25 by pjvie from Oregon on Nov 15, 2015
3.5 by ckeegan04 from Texas on Nov 04, 2015
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